Korra even more, especially in today's.

I'd rather discuss crowning jewels in recent times.

edited 9th Jun '12 8:03:47 PM by Chadaman99

Should I be weirded out that you guys refer to this show as a cartoon, and you are discussing cartoon quality?

Okay I lied Gargoyles really wasnt the first... I guess it was the first I watched in earnest.

I had watched stuff like Thundercats and Dinosaucers and stuff like that in the 80's, but not regularly.. it just happened to be on and I watched it.

I hate disney. The people who made ATLA also made American Dragon Jake Long. They TRIED to weave in an ongoing narrative and make it darker as it went on, but Disney kept getting under their feet.

A shame, since I loved Am Drag

@mars: Sadly it is actually fairly uncommon for a show like that to draw in the money like more "traditional" western animation properties do.

I couldnt get into American Dragon because of the Artstyle... the Dragon design was just.. too fugly for me

I liked the first season. the art style of the second one just kinda... turned me off. Too much of a stark shift too fast, plus Jake's dragon form just looked weird after that.

Admitedly, cartoons have a more restricted dynamic in the west. People generally refer to cartoons as cute boing and zap Funny Animal nonsense here so maybe mature animations just don't get enough appeal to keep going.

That and a lot of dark concepts tend to have a very pretentious undertone. Some forget that the morbid and gloomy cosmetics don't instantly make a show artsy and depthful. Good writing does, hense saccharine kids cartoons like FIM which have surprisingly complex characterizations and avoid a lot of detrimental development tropes that darker ones do.

edited 9th Jun '12 8:07:43 PM by Psi001

Okay, sorry about the rushedness of my last post, I was eating while typing.

I wasn't criticizing Gargoyles and Batman for their premises. I was criticizing the handling of their premises. I mean yeah, you could say "a bunch of guys using Ki to fly around and throw beams at each other" is silly too, but that show knows its silly, and will play different levels of seriousness as appropriate. Goku never once treated Emperor Pilaf as if he was a serious villain. By contrast, early on the Gargoyles are menaced by television actors, and they _*are*_ presented not just as a serious threat (to demons who grew up in a time of bloody warfare and thus, should by rights be whole tiers above these people, mind you) but also as a part of Xanatos bigger overall plan... which is supposed to make Xanatos look like a genius.

The thing is, MLP works out precisely because it puts on no airs about itself. It knows its a silly and lighthearted show, and in fact... that's its biggest charm.

edited 9th Jun '12 8:08:30 PM by MoeDantes

@Kegi REALLY?!

I found it REALLY hard to get into season 1 because of it's artstyle. Maybe it depends on which season you saw first

edited 9th Jun '12 8:09:01 PM by gingerninja666

But even that much isn't really giving it any kind of credit. It looks at a basic outline but not at the work itself. It's still potentially possible for it to have very god, solid writing and be a good series in spite of that skeleton draft.

Wasn't it nice when we all could settle down (Likely before internet for most of us) and watch shows based on Time Slots as opposed to actual content? Ignorance Is Bliss.

Gargoyles werent really Deamons... and yes they grew up in time of Bloody warfare but they were protectors and guardians, not DPS warriors. Plus you got guys in a Dark ages mindset dropped into the modern world.. where even basic stuff to us is Magic to them...

The younger ones adapted quicky but Hudson and Goliath had a bit of a rough time trying to figure stuff out.

I tend to hate stories with a pretentious air, especially ones that would likely be a lot better off just doing light hearted stuff. Regardless of opinions in quality, I think Ao Sth did better than Sat Am in it's actual goal in this regard for example.

edited 9th Jun '12 8:11:22 PM by Psi001

Ah... hold on, I just want to make sure I've got the chronology of the series right.

So far as I know, season 1, ◊ and Season 2◊.

First one looks much better to me, either way.

@kegi yes that's right. Eh, I guess I liked his season 2 dragon form better because it felt more fitting for his age. How he looked in season 1 was how he should've EVENTUALLY ended up. For the moment he's still growing.

... it made sense to me anyway

Well in season 1, the art style blended more with other Disney Channel cartoons airing at the time.

-Looks at Art Shift-

Why I do say it looks like the animators randomly learned how to shade.

Eh, that's fair enough Ginger. I just didn't really like the design of the season 2 dragon, especially not after getting used to season 1. But eh.

Nighty night fellas.

No.

Night, Psi

In more silly (Yet slightly Serious) news my sister thought that Fafsa.com=Fafsa.ed.gov Many Face Palms were to be had.

@kegi Eh, Haley was always my favourite character in that show anyway (an oddity as far as I'm aware) especially in season 2 when she perfects her dragon form.

What is fafsa.com?