I'll probably do the same, but first just voice my opinion, for the record: not even a little sympathetic.

Well I intended it as a discussion on whether just being female was a contributing factor

edited 15th Aug '11 9:07:50 AM by RandomChaos

@ Kyler, what did you think of the other sub-plots from "The Best Night Ever"?

(switching off Gilda argument mode)

I don't think so. i'd say it's more how we were exposed to them, like others have said.

edited 15th Aug '11 9:09:23 AM by gingerninja666

In case you didn't catch it the first time:

Let's argue about how Sympathetic other villains are... like the Cockatrice, or the Diamond Dogs

To this day, I still don't know why I try to defend villains so much.

edited 15th Aug '11 9:14:00 AM by gingerninja666

Even evil cockatrices are afraid of being told on their mamas.

edited 15th Aug '11 9:14:18 AM by KylerThatch

The dragon in "Dragonshy" was slightly sympathetic. The Cockatrice and the Diamond Dogs, not so much.

The diamond dogs are just plain idiots I don't sympathize with them and pretty much pity them actually

Villian sympathy discussion again?

how about we keep posting the same thing page after page long after everyone has moved on, and then apologize for necroing the discussion while continuing to do it.

Cockatrices actually are pretty silly once you think about 'em.

On a different note, this may be my new favourite ask a pony tumblr ever.

Warning: Serial Killer Pinkie.

I actually thought the Mane cast were in the wrong in that episode (then I remembered the blanketing Equestria in smog thing)

It was basically like if you were trying to sleep, then a team of people suddenly kicked down your door, told you to GTFO, tried to steal your shit, then roundhoused kicked you in the face. How would you react?

edited 15th Aug '11 9:18:49 AM by gingerninja666

Might just do, actually...though that's mostly just an odd habit of mine: start talking about something completely(relatively speaking) normal, and go off on a wild tangent and come out of it with a story.

I almost think of the diamond dogs as sympathetic, just because of how hard Rarity owns them in that episode.

Have I mentioned I kind of hate Cupcakes!Pinkie? :| Why can't we have a nice show without turning the cute characters into psychopaths?

edited 15th Aug '11 9:21:15 AM by Turtle

Yeah, they were more along the lines of an Ineffectual Sympathetic Villain

edited 15th Aug '11 9:22:01 AM by gingerninja666

@edvedd: When it got to the Pinkamena hugging Scootaloo part, suddenly I wasn't sure how to feel about it anymore.

Is [Grimcute] a thing yet?

Why must we keep bringing up cupcakes?

edited 15th Aug '11 9:33:26 AM by RandomChaos

I still haven't read it, and I'm already disgusted

The Shadowbolts I like these, but they need an Evil Genius totally thought Nightshade was a dude at first.

edited 15th Aug '11 9:39:06 AM by RandomChaos

To continue what Kyler Thatch as talking about The Best Night Ever. I think I would agree with you about it being some what weaker because it is essentially six-mini episodes. It also doesn't help that when everything seems to be conspiring against our protagonist they decide to respond to it in mostly stupid ways.

I kind of wonder if it would have been a better episode if it just ended with them in the doughnut shop reflecting on how the horrible night was at least partially their fault (both because of their behavior and their own hype). But I guess the writers thought that would be to depressing so Celestia comes in and says "oh don't worry the party always sucked anyway" (geez encouraging Sour Grapes much).

AJ's response wasn't exactly stupid, and Twilight didn't respond in any way at all

Pinkie though: yeah, her communication skills leave a lot to be desired

edited 15th Aug '11 9:41:08 AM by gingerninja666

I sort of wish Rarity didn't smash her shoe. It would've been sweet if it turned out somebody else picked it up. like Apple Jack

I agree for her subtlety is only using a 16 wheeler truck with what you want to say painted on it. Instead of a train

edited 15th Aug '11 9:42:53 AM by RandomChaos

I didn't exactly say that, but now I wish I did.

Heck, Twilight's can't even be called a mini-ep! All she got was a couple seconds of meeting up with Celestia, a couple more seconds of hoof-shaking, and then a final bit with her walking with Celestia into a disaster zone. Twilight was pretty much a background detail in this episode.

So I guess that is the problem with this episode. They tried to cram too many plotlines into one episode, and we end up with a heap of mediocrity. To be fair, there are a few gems here and there, but overall, it's a pretty weak episode.

I would actually kind of like an episode where Pinkie encounters someone who genuinely does not like her parties (or partying in general), and not in the "oh he/she is just being an old stick in the mud he/she'll come around eventually", but in the "sorry Pinkie but I just don't like going parties. I would much rather do xyz."

For the record "meaty pastries" is not a valid answer to the above scenario

edited 15th Aug '11 9:52:39 AM by Mio

You'd think Twi would be one of the main focuses of the ep, what with her being the main character, and her being back in her element once she returned to Canterlot

edited 15th Aug '11 9:52:30 AM by gingerninja666

It should have been a two prater.