How was singing nice? She did it grudgingly. It's not like she helped Granny Smith across the street or something. And since she made Fluttershy cry, in my mind she's beyond any sort of redemption.

^^^I was just modeling it on what birds generally do with kicking their young out of the nest, really. =) And Gilda can't be Demoman; I thought somepony else had already been tapped for that crossover slot.

^Now, now. Fluttershy wouldn't consider her beyond redemption, I'm sure. (Must resist plugging fic.)

edited 3rd Oct '11 2:00:46 PM by RedSavant

Not gonna even bother arguing, we've had this discussion too many times.

I think she's the most human character in the show, you think she's a monster. If you wanna argue PM me, but I'm not doin it here

Not this time.

edited 3rd Oct '11 2:01:35 PM by gingerninja666

Confound these ninjas, they drive me to edit.

edited 3rd Oct '11 2:02:52 PM by SkyStrike

I just think Gilda felt rejected and was acting overly defensive when seeing how Dash seemed to prefer the other ponies to her company.

Of course, her pride and jealousy and just being a bit of a jerk drove her to utter bitchdom over the course of the episode.

I think she wouldn't had been so hard on Pinkie and Fluttershy if she wasn't so clingy of Dash.

Though in the end, she wasn't clingy of her at all and walked away with a bright neon sign saying "BITCH!" above her head.

edited 3rd Oct '11 2:04:44 PM by KuroFox

She could've at least tried to "share" RD. I just think she's too self-centered not to be possessive.

I'll be back later, when the topic won't drive me to become argumentative.

I try to get out, but they keep pulling me back in!

Gilda is fascinating. A bitch? sure. but irredeemable? In a world with the elements of harmony? hell no

I still think she would've repented if she wasn't at a party surrounded by all those ponies. Anger + Pride + Embarassment is a powerful mix

I think Gilda enjoys antagonizing people just for the fun of it. She didn't have to start yelling at Fluttershy. If somebody tried to change her, she would continue in her ways just to troll them.

^One of my pre-readers pointed out that Gryphon culture is made up of predators. Their society likely has a strict power hierarchy, especially if it's similarly arranged to lion prides; Gilda acts the way she does because no one in Ponyville showed themselves to be more powerful than her - either in strength (not likely given her musculature and size) or social power (the 'coolness' she's obsessed with). She respects Dash because she views Dash as better than her at being something that she wants to be - she doesn't understand the idea of being charitable to weaker people, so she doesn't understand the fact that Dash wants to hang out with ponies who exhibit traits that would be social pariahs if they were gryphons.

Edit: Moved down below.

edited 3rd Oct '11 2:22:35 PM by RedSavant

Gilda clearly was a bit of a jerk, but we need to remember that she was friends with Dash and Dash liked her.

She couldn't had been all bad.

I agree with the anger/pride thing. And a hint of jealousy too.

Proud Warrior Race Guy, kind of?

edited 3rd Oct '11 2:21:50 PM by KuroFox

^Kind of, yeah. Of course, in my fic she's also lived in Cloudsdale for ten years or so, so she's more ponyfied than most gryphons would be. I figure Dash was a good influence on her, and that she started to get nastier to the ponies in Cloudsdale once Dash left.

(Can't help it. Shameless plug!)

I can see that.

I'm trying to think of other villains with problems. Trixie is irredeemable in show, but fanon has made her the Woobie.

Trixie is irredeemable? How?

I don't think of her as a woobie. I just think she's awesome cuz of her haminess

Also, I'm of the opinion that ANYONE in this show can be redeemed, it's one of the central themes for crying out loud

Trixie is definetely redeemable. She is just more stubborn than any mule in Equestria.

Though I wonder, does Trixie know anything else than how to make false tales of heroism and make herself look good by making others look bad?

Ex-fucking-actly. Save for Nightmare and Discord, all "antagonists" have been just big jerks at worst.

EDIT: RED YOU GOT A FIC POSTED AT EQD?!

edited 3rd Oct '11 2:37:08 PM by KuroFox

She was brave. At least she stood up to the Ursa Minor (for a bit), rather than just running away, she clearly knew that she was no match for it, and she looked terrified

edited 3rd Oct '11 2:36:24 PM by gingerninja666

Well, many people would atleast try to uphold to their facades when faced with proving them, even if they know they'd fail. I already said: Trixie is stubborn as hell, still bragging after somepony else came along and took care of the minor problem.

Well, she certainly has charisma and knows how to captivate an audience, she could put that to some use.

And her mark suggests she is actually decent on some field of magic. Probobly just flashy effects though.

... She could make for a good stage hand/special effects mare for theatre?

edited 3rd Oct '11 2:40:46 PM by KuroFox

Were can I see a full fourean dup?

A lot of Trixie fanon makes her seem like she's trying to be great and powerful because she's failed too much or something like that. Plus, art like in my avatar does make her seem rather woobie-esque. I'm never able to judge which characters are Large Hams, so not too sure about that one.

She's good at PERFORMANCE magic. Stuff that looks cool but isn't very practical.

She's most definitely talented, look at what she could do to the mane cast. She just doesn't have annywhere NEAR enough raw power to live up to her boasting

edited 3rd Oct '11 2:48:13 PM by gingerninja666

Well, that's just better!

Flashy Effects + Large Ham = Excellent So Bad, It's Good theatre!

She'll be the Raul Julia Bison of Equestria!

edited 3rd Oct '11 2:51:16 PM by KuroFox

There was some actor in the 18th century named Coates or something like that. He played Romeo, and improvised a lot, like bringing a crowbar onstage to pry open Juliette's tomb. People flocked to theatres to see if he was really as bad as they had heard.

Trixie could totally pull this off. Maybe she gets brought back in another episode where the mane cast go to Canterlot and see her perform on the Broadway equivalent?

Oh christ!

Trixie being like this if she comes back. It would be glorious

edited 3rd Oct '11 2:53:17 PM by gingerninja666