There are five qualities that one has to have to be one, according to the page.

1: The villain's acts must be truly heinous by the standards of the work. (Going out of his way to be cruel to them and, in two cases, traumatizing them beforehand. And he didn't need to do any of that, as demonstrated with Fluttershy. It was all for fun.)

2: Their terribleness must be played seriously at all times, evoking fear and revulsion from the characters. (Well, OK, Pinkie doesn't think much about the confectionary weather patterns, but consider the reaction he gets out of Celestia, compared to the last threat. He's played as, perhaps, an even greater threat than Nightmare Moon, who couldn't get any of them to defect or even doubt each other.)

3: There is no adequate justification or Freudian Excuse for his actions (Remains to be seen, but I certainly don't see anything other than love for chaos and cruelty)

4: The character must be completely devoid of altruistic properties. (So far, yes.)

5: There must be no hope for redemption for the character, at least, none that would not be seen as a Karma Houdini (again, remains to be seen, but I don't see any way to redeem this creep)

edited 17th Sep '11 11:52:52 PM by Enlong

I really think the show is too lighthearted to have a Complete Monster. All the examples of that trope that I can think of are absolutely repellant, the kind of characters you wouldn't mind handing over to Cupcakes Pinkie. Discord may be a massive ass with no redeeming features, which it's too early to tell yet anyway, but he's so damn likable. Complete Monsters don't typically have the audience wanting them to remain as recurring villains.

Well, just 'cause a villain's entertaining and fun to watch doesn't mean they're not pure evil.

Kefka and The Joker come to mind.

I think we need to wait for Part 2 before we can decide whether we can stick to Complete Monster label on him. Seriously, that trope is being tossed around too loosely...

I think it's a legitimate line of thought. I mean, he hits three of the five points, and the other two just need us to wait until part two.

So does anyone else think the CMC's presence in this episode was odd? They show up for the cold open, then vanish for the rest of the episode. I can't decide if they were just a convenient target for exposition or if they're being used as a Chekhov's Gun.

I thought one of the qualifications for Complete Monster was that they had to be near-unanimously reviled by the audience. Am I getting some other trope mixed up with this?

Pinkie Pie storm.

• What Have I Wrought?!
• Pinkie Pie Filly
• 7 Days You Say?

Complite Monster become another way to gush about villain you like.

I removed CMC from Scrappy page. Because they belong there. They are only Base Breakers and their hatedom is Vocal Mironity in fandom.

Fanart and fan-video time: (all of them SFW)

Faust's Ponysona meets Celestia◊. She really needs to be incorporated to Fanon.
Discord's BGM
Discord needs a top hat here
Gotta love that smirk
I think this was already linked, but it's still awesome.

edited 18th Sep '11 2:54:31 AM by Kerrah

That BGM is good music to listen while looking on those Dis Qord fanarts.

It have some similarities with crazy Pinkamena party BGM.

edited 18th Sep '11 3:16:49 AM by DeathCloud

Re: Discord's potential for being a Complete Monster.

He seems more Evily Affable / Affably Evil to me. I know it's too early to tell, but I'm pretty sure it'd be pretty hard to be a Complete Monster in My Little Pony.

You know where Luna is? On the Moon. Prepering Orbital Frienship Cannon to strike Dis Qord.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure discord doesn't count for Complete Monster for one big reason: He's serious withing the context of the show, but for the entire audience, he's insanely fucking fun. Seriously, everything this guy does, even the truly heinous stuff, is hilarious. He's always goofing off no matter what he's doing, so there's never any air of seriousness. Think about it: Every time he's deharmonized a member of the mane cast, there's been at least a visual gag there. He manipulated apples for Applejack, he was in a hammock for Dash, he turned his head into a balloon for pinkie pie, he was butterfly for fluttershy (which may or may not be a gag, but it' still pretty funny to me, and even if it isn't, the 'fuck it, mind-boop' moment was a solid joke), and... I forget what he did for Rarity. I dunno, making her think a boulder was a giant diamond is kinda funny.

Anyways, the point is: He's just dicking around. I'm not even getting a real sense of malice from him, he's just a god with a really sick sense of humour.

At this point, I wouldn't call him a complete monster. Just a monster.

edited 18th Sep '11 4:59:20 AM by edvedd

Time for trope history:

The Complete Monster page was created after Rape The Dog was deleted. However, people started misusing CM as a badge of honour for their favourite villains.

Evilly Affable was created to house "this villain is monstrously evil, but horribly amusing to watch" examples such as The Joker, Kefka and Xykon.

At some point, that's been renamed Faux Affably Evil, with the emphasis on the "this villain has good manners" part. Laughably Evil is "villain who is evil but really funny".

Any questions?

I'd say that going by our current definitions: Discord is Laughably Evil.

Complete Monster need Trope Repair Shop.

It DOES have a Trope Repair Shop

Hmm I stoped noticing it because it is for so long.

It's not just the CMC whose presence is odd. It looks like they just grabbed every single filly and colt with a major role in the show for the field trip, despite it having no relation to the previous depicted class.

I guess they could have multiple periods with different classes or whatever, but it still seems a bit convenient to have a class that consists solely of all the famous ponies.

edited 18th Sep '11 5:28:11 AM by storyyeller

I saw the episode yesterday. Did I ever underestimate this guy...

And I just noticed The limbs, tail and wings are different colors of the rainbow...

Maybe it was a school-wide field trip, and they were the only ones who wanted to come along?

While Discord is quiet laughable, he is also very intimidating. Celestia did say that Discord ruled Equestria at one point and made it miserable for everypony, right? Speaking of Celestia, I think this is the first time we've seen her worried. Celestia. A god. Worried. Discord must be pretty damn powerful to scare a god. To emphasizes the point, if he wanted to, he could end the mane 6 (evident that he out right forced Fluttershy to be evil). Not only that, but it appears that he takes great joy out of mind screwing with the characters.

I for one think that Discord isn't redeemable, based on what I know of him already.