@Chad: But with the changelings running around, assuming we accepted Kegi's idea of non-enslavement, how would they get their "food" without being caught? I'd think the ponies, now knowing about changelings, would withhold their loves in privacy.

There was no implication that any other changelings existed outside the queen's control.

She said she travels lands to find sources of love for her people.

Ambient love, perhaps.

The evil of the Changelings' methods comes from attacking, kidnapping, and replacing ponies. Not from their method of feeding.

We saw an army, and one with clear independent thought. Trained to take orders, but they're still sapient. Outside of the military, they'd revert to their subversive nature.

And yeah, she travels to find food. Big deal. Maybe there aren't enough hosts in a single country for all of them, maybe she needed to find hosts for a new brood. Or they probably get booted out when they get discovered - and why? Because they look ugly, and they're dishonest. Who's going to let them in? No, so they get booted from country to country, because of how they look and live, and is it any wonder Chrysalis is a bit of a bitch? They're constantly rejected for something that isn't their fault, despite the fact that they don't have any say in the matter.

@crowlover: What did you think of my scene?

I liked it

That backstory makes me feel bad now.

But I bought Space Marine a while ago, so I'm going to go slay THE ENEMIES OF MAN to feel better.

Only 6 pages in the last 3 hours? I am disapoint.

Alright one final thing. You're trying justify that a race of love draining bugs as not evil. Despite the evidence presented. Or specifically, the lack of evidence.

Ok that's your opinion. I'll never agree with you on this one.

edited 24th Apr '12 1:11:40 PM by Chadaman99

@Lurker: And that's why I asked how would the changelings feed. And as Kegi pointed out, they would be shooting themselves in the hoof with that plan. Oh sure, you could charade as the ponies in love, but as evil!Cadence showed, the changeling would not be able to get the real pony's behavior down 100%.

Doesn't Chrysalis outright state that she was weakening Shining Armor by feeding off of him? That's definitely more parasitic than symbiotic. I think the question of if they're evil or not depends on if they need to feed off love to survive, or if they simply do so to gain power. We really don't get enough info in the episode to say one way or the other.

All the evidence here is circumstantial on both sides. I'm not trying to justify them as 'not evil', I'm saying that I don't think the terms good and evil can really apply to them. Mostly because quite frankly it's stupid to look at things as black and white anyways, but also because you can't really blame something for acting on it's biological nature.

But you're right on one thing, we aren't going to reach a conclusion here. Mush as I'd like to keep going with it just to see where it leads, from this point on I'm guess a circle.

edited 24th Apr '12 1:14:53 PM by kegisak

I'm not trying to defend the changelings either. I'm just in it for the discussion.

Human circular reasoning is the funnest kind of reasoning.

edited 24th Apr '12 1:16:03 PM by Chadaman99

> Implying that isn't canon.

I can't speak for the mook changelings, but Chrysalis was more attractive than an insectlike monster pony should be.

Changelings are sapient. we can see them think, reason, and grow exasperated and confused during the fight scene.

I'm sure there are dissident ones, or ones who simply didn't enlist into the army.

These are my views on the subject: Changelings are not inherently evil, though their current method for feeding is dishonest at best.

Hey look

edited 24th Apr '12 1:19:20 PM by Chadaman99

So, with Chrysalis, we finally have enough enemies for someone to do a parody of Kid Icarus Uprising's "Medusa" trailer.

Pit: Twilight
Palutena: Celestia (though, not really needed, since she's off-screen)
Medusa: Nightmare Moon
Twinbellows: Cerberus
Thanatos: Discord
Pandora: Chrysalis

Shouldn't Rainbow be Pit?

edited 24th Apr '12 1:22:28 PM by Chadaman99

Changeling are not evil, they just want to be loved. :D

And to be honest I can accept both interpretation Always Evil and Colorful Morality.

The mane six are building up quite an impressive list of enemies aren't they?

I mean, it's not going to rival Batman or the Doctor's gallery but it's still impressive for a little girls show.

edited 24th Apr '12 1:25:02 PM by PurpleDalek

This top comment "Am I the only one that thinks the kite looks like the Windows logo and then they happen to eat an Apple after the kite is shown?"

Here during the big brother song.

Sheesh that's good.

edited 24th Apr '12 1:25:56 PM by Chadaman99