Normally self-fulfilling prophecy bugs me to but not this time thanks MST Mantra. I'm happy with way how episode turn out, there was big Hydra in climax, Twilight was awesome there, and her "transformation" into Rapidash was hilarious.

He he he 500th page is mine!

edited 29th Jul '11 5:33:23 PM by DeathCloud

Yeah, I think Twilight's abilities come mainly from her intense studying. She started studying and practicing magic long before the Rainboom incident.

Also, happy 500th page!

I was actually referring to Pinkie's attitude; the dogmatic thing was that everybody but Twilight just accepted the Pinkie Sense, and the implied moral was that Twilight should have just believed in the Pinkie Sense from the beginning rather than try to analyze it or gather evidence.

I don't think that's the message that the episode was going for (the problem wasn't Twilight trying to figure out what was happening, it was her "I know I'm right and I'm going to prove it" attitude), but it's easy to understand how it could be misinterpreted.

In Feeling Pinkie Keen, Twilight repeatedly stated that "there's no point in believing in something you can't see for yourself". That is skepticism, not dogma. It was Bridle Gossip that contained the dogmatic belief that "unicorn magic is the only real magic", which was really only a counter to the town's own dogmatic belief in Zecora's supposed evil magic.

No she still was saying stuff about how Pinkie Sensne can't work because it not real magic. That is dogmatic. So Twilight was both dogramtic and sceptic here , kind like Priest trying disprove some superstitious stuff.

Everypony accepted Pinkie Sense because they know her and propaly sawed it at work, thi was not dogmatic. And that wasn't accepted by TS because it was against stuff what she learned about magic. And what I saw moral was clear that TS should not be so stuborn about Pinkie Sense and accept this when she saw i hapen.

I really hate whent people turn this episode into some kind of anty ateist propaganda.

edited 29th Jul '11 5:42:21 PM by DeathCloud

@Fallen Legend: You're crazy, Twilight is prettiest pony. Anyone who tells you different is full of filthy lies.

I think we're all missing the real point of Feeling Pinkie Keen, which is that if you can annoy a unicorn enough they self-combust.

Twilight's power I can handle more than others, but it still seems apparent that she has latent ability that gives her the potential to be stronger than everyone else. If another pony appeared, one who'd trained just as hard as Twilight did, then she still wouldn't be as powerful as Twilight. That's what I normally have an issue with. The Gift

edited 29th Jul '11 5:40:03 PM by gingerninja666

They can't do it again, though.

You don't know that. We haven't seen any others who have trained as hard as Twilight has and I doubt we ever will. Unless Trixie is really, really determined.

edited 29th Jul '11 5:41:41 PM by TurnwaysFlip

Training only takes you so far, Twilight has more potential than anyone, or at least that's what seems to be implied

If Twilight were more like, say, Jack Rackan and was actually weaker than everyone else from the off, and worked her way to the top via sheer determination, not latent ability, then I wouldn't have the small problem i have with her now.

edited 29th Jul '11 5:43:19 PM by gingerninja666

We don't know how much of Twilight's power is her being super amazing and how much is her dedicating herself to studying it from such a young age. Most unicorns probably only study magic that is related to their own interests, taking an interest in magic itself probably isn't as common. Until we see another unicorn who's special talent is magic, we can't really know how Twilight compares.

edited 29th Jul '11 5:42:31 PM by Crowfall

But Twilight has trained harder than anyone else. She spent basically her entire childhood training and studying. She's earned every bit of her power.

Shonen has taught me two things: When it comes to power there's both Training, and potential, Twilight has MASS ammounts of both. If someone with no potential, but a little more Training than Twilight appeared, she'd still lose to Twilight

edited 29th Jul '11 5:46:02 PM by gingerninja666

I think this is partially an issue of show focus. If Twilight was constantly curb stomping Big Bads, then it would be an issue, but having the most potent magic evar isn't really relevant to throwing a great sleepover.

And we don't know someone like that would lose to Twi, because we haven't met anyone like that.

edited 29th Jul '11 5:47:29 PM by Crowfall

Again, you have no basis for that statement. Shonen isn't really relevant.

Except that this isn't shounen....

EDIT: Ninja'd. That's what I said; it doesn't matter if Twilight is the most powerful unicorn or not, because the show isn't about that.

@Death Cloud: I know that, I was just explaining how a lot of people reacted. I agree with your take on it; the point was that Twilight's friends had known about it, and she should have trusted them rather than disbelieving all of them.

edited 29th Jul '11 5:49:39 PM by JapaneseTeeth

CMC, that mass display of magic by Twilight was NOT the normal unicorn standard, or caused by her training, that was RAW power

I know, i'm just used to thinking in shonen terms

edited 29th Jul '11 5:49:10 PM by gingerninja666

Twiligth is student of Physical God, I don't see problem with her being so powerfull. And everypony in Mane Cast have some Gift. Pinkie Sense (if they ever use it again) or even those "Reality Warper Powers" , we saw what thinks Sonic Rainboom can cause, Fluteshy have suck gift with creatures that she can beat monsters just by staring at them. Maybe even AJ and Rarity have something similar what we still don't see for now. Not mention Element of Harmony (I give it power one killoton of Care Bear Stare :P). So TS being most powerfull unicorn feet here perfectly.

I understand that, I'm just trying to understand why you think that a high power level is an inherently bad thing when it isn't even relevant to the plot.

edited 29th Jul '11 5:50:49 PM by JapaneseTeeth

I know, it's just a weird quirk that seems odd to add in. If it isn't the purpose of the show, then why have it at all, it seems very counter-productive for stories to have the characters be the best in their respective areas of interest.

However, that's merely my own screenwriting philosophy so I wouldn't expect everyone to agree. However, I'm a man of logic, and I like to at least understand why the ideas I dislike persist, if you understand

I LOVE Twilight, and the issue with her power is a very minor, but comprehensive annoyance

edited 29th Jul '11 5:57:17 PM by gingerninja666

Now I'm curious, where are you getting this conclusion from?

TS is revelant to the show. Just like other ponies. And it wasn't used to easly beat enemies to quick.

Rarity's gift is whining

I never said she wasn't

Just because it isn't the main point of the show doesn't mean that it influences Twilight's character; it creates a contrast between her expertise in her area of specialty and her inability to cope when she's in situations that don't involve it. It's a pretty important part of her character that she's very book smart, but socially stunted as a result. She's very good at magic, but not very good at anything else, and the series is based around that dichotomy and how she reacts to it.

EDIT: @Kyler: I'm also curious about that. I don't think there's been any indication in series of how attractive the ponies are supposed to be outside of Rarity being the stereotypically beautiful one.

edited 29th Jul '11 6:00:31 PM by JapaneseTeeth

Her being good at magic isn't my issue, in fact I love that premise. It's specifically making her THE BEST, it means that the existence of a character better than Twilight is nigh impossible, and there may come times when you need to use Ass Pulls to explain why Twilight can't use magic to solve a situation, (yes I know most of the issues aren't solved by magic, but I meant for the few that can)

edited 29th Jul '11 6:03:30 PM by gingerninja666