@ Gingerninja Never learning a lesson doesn't make Pinkie a Mary Sue, it just means she isn't undergoing proper Character Development like the rest of the mane cast. And, while Twilight does have the potential to be a Sue, her magical power is almost always handled properly to make sure that it doesn't overshadow everyone else.

Ok that propably was a spell, but still no proof that Rarity was better in some way in case of telekinesis.

x8 And I love that thing in characters (when done right like in TS case) and hate when someone attack character just because of that. You cant deny that Twilight is propably third most powerfull pony in the world (after princesses).

And Pinkei is no sue because she don't have traits of sue. Her powers works only for jokes, they wasn't any usefull, no pony say how awesome Pinkie powers are, or how awesome she is (that was sayed about others from Mane Cast). How many times she save the day? Defeat villain? Solve conflict?

edited 29th Jul '11 4:54:29 PM by DeathCloud

Pinkie's also faster than RD, knows her way around a library better than Twilight, and has the casual ability to predict the future perfectly

It's a personal peeve of mine that will probably be with me till I die. Making a character the best at something almost always comes off as a detriment to me in the long run, because it restricts the types of stories you can write

edited 29th Jul '11 4:59:02 PM by gingerninja666

Two words:

Pinkie. Sense.

edited 29th Jul '11 4:58:28 PM by TurnwaysFlip

The first two are just used for the sake of a joke. The third is, um... Okay, yeah, I got nothing on that. But it was only for that one episode, and was honestly pretty useless. Knowing something was going to fall never seemed to stop anypony from getting hit.

That ep probably infuriated me more than anything else. It wasn't the characters at all (cept for Pinkie being a little obnoxious saying things like: "Letting Twilight secretly follow me around") it was just the moral

Yeah, I don't have an explanation for Pinkie's speed or how she found the one book Twilight was looking for. Maybe that one can be explained by the fact that she lived in Ponyville a lot longer than Twilight? :l

And, as it's been said above, the Pinkie Sense lasted for one episode and was then forgotten, it's pretty short-term, didn't help at all while trying to stop Nightmare Moon in the pilot (where it would've been the most helpful) and didn't determine anything important. In the last case, the "doozy", it's simply a self-fulfilling prophecy. So it's not that big a deal, to me at least. :/

And you're not the only one who has a problem with the moral, gingerninja. It's supposed to be "trust your friends before being skeptical", not "have some faith, you stupid scientist." But it's very easy for it to come across that way and it bugs me too. I think that whole episode could've been done better.

edited 29th Jul '11 5:07:43 PM by randomguy123

I wasn't bothered as much by the moral as I was by the introduction of crazy powers for Pinkie that vanish afterword for no reason.

Finding the book was just plot expedience disguised as a joke. Why spend time digging through books when Pinkie can just pull it out of nowhere and the plot can move on? And when Pinkie outruns RD in a race or other serious context, not as a gag, then I'll be annoyed by it.

edited 29th Jul '11 5:09:54 PM by Crowfall

No, the speed thing is displayed in a totally non-joke context when Pinkie is chasing down Dash in Party of One.

Pinkie Sense - so what , RD had Sonic Rainboom, Flutershy Stare and TS grand price on magic power lottery. No more sueisz that those 3.

And other thing are only Rule OF Funny, PP is not faster than Rainbow Dash.

That chase was little dramatic but was serve for humor. PP never run near that fast in any really dramatic situation.

I love that episode, it not my fav because show have many great episodes but I still don't anderstand why so much hate for this episode.

edited 29th Jul '11 5:13:41 PM by DeathCloud

The episode seemed to have been created just because someone on the writing and/or animation staff wanted to do a Looney Tunes esque episode and the moral was just sort of tacked on at the end.

edited 29th Jul '11 5:09:06 PM by Mio

The reason I don't consider Twilight as overpowered due to her magic is the way that she's shown to use it; it's never an "instant solution" kind of thing unless it's a plot point. And the fact that she's the best at one particular thing is countered by the fact that she has all sorts of other flaws. Huge power levels are only bad when they're a detriment to the story, and I really haven't seen any episodes where it is. You can have a character be really good at something and still have them be well rounded.

The other problem is that the moral itself wasn't exactly worded that well; it had a kind of "holding dogmatic beliefs without evidence is fine" vibe to it when it was probably supposed to be something more like "sometimes you just have to take your friends at their word even when you don't entirely understand what's going on" or "some things just can't be explained, and you should just learn to live with it."

edited 29th Jul '11 5:12:10 PM by JapaneseTeeth

Even if it's handled well, it just seems like a weird trait to add to your character because it still restricts you. As I said I LOVE Twilight, just not that part of her. Do people see where I'm coming from?

edited 29th Jul '11 5:14:11 PM by gingerninja666

I think it would be a bigger problem if the show wasn't basically structured around social interaction; yeah, Twilight is good at magic, but it doesn't really come up all that often. It's like doing a show about the world's best baseball player that takes place while he's on vacation during the offseason. It'll come up on occasion, but it's not the point of the show.

What? Moral was oposite, it was something like "you shouldn't hold to dogmatic beliefs for any cost" because Twiglt was dogmatic here.

And real moral was about trusting friends, I got this first time when I watched.

edited 29th Jul '11 5:18:11 PM by DeathCloud

Twilight was skeptical. That is the opposite of dogmatic.

edited 29th Jul '11 5:20:21 PM by TurnwaysFlip

"There is not other magic that Unicorn Magic" - sound dogmatic to me.

It was that self-fulfilling prophecy that bugged me aswell. It made it seem like Twilight accepting Pinkie was a Foregone Conclusion, and it was going to happen whether Twilight wanted it too or not, that kinda deadened Twilight's character growth for me

That episode would have ended much better if Twilight had decided that just because she though the Pinkie sense was crazy, she didn't need to go around trying to disprove things her friends believed in.

You're thinking of the wrong episode.

edited 29th Jul '11 5:24:12 PM by TurnwaysFlip

So what episode you talking ? I was talking about Feeling Pinkie Keen.

But the "dogma" you're thinking of was from Bridle Gossip, and as far as I can tell it turned out to be correct.

No , dogma was in FPK, Twilight was dogmatic there.

Yeah the moral of FPK definitely should have been worded better. It kind of ruined the episode for me.

As for speed, perhaps Pinkie's superspeed only appears when she's angry?

Forgot to mention twilight is probably the ugliest ( in-universe) of the mane cast.

I tend to hate characters that get very powerful because Destiny Says So but it Seens twilight did earned her skills with hard work.