Pagetopper! I actually wanted one this time, since I found this song.

edited 24th Feb '12 5:11:52 PM by SkyStrike

Wait. How?

edited 24th Feb '12 5:11:30 PM by Mio

hehe @ ginger/kegi debate, reminds me of junior year English classes, at least once a week I'd get into the "meaning vs. entertainment" debate with her, of course, didn't help that she insisted on finding the meaning in EVERYTHING even shit that really didn't have one, she's the type that would try and tell you what Tolkein meant by this or that, when Tolkein himself said there WAS no deeper allegorical meaning to anything he wrote because he hated that shit.

oh and about 80% of everything ever written apparently had a deeper meaning that was some how tied to sex.

@Mio:

Superior Serperior posted it last page. Btw, do we know him/her?

edited 24th Feb '12 5:13:36 PM by Bluespade

Hey Ponies, whats up? Discussing the possibility of a another villain, only representative of an ideally ordered universe who is unhappy with the current order of things? Sounds interesting.

Serperior shown up a few times I think.

edited 24th Feb '12 5:14:39 PM by Drenius

That may well be a case of Death Of The Author, Seraph. An artist naturally includes their opinions on certain things into a work whether they want to or not.

Now granted, analyzing this serves only to learn about the creator. If he explicitly din't want to include a moral, then there's no reason to go looking for one.

I'll admit that Kegi, but from her...no she was just trying to sound intelligent while pulling shit out her ass.

Hi Drenius!

. . .well. That was pretty hilarious, unfortunately Pinkie Pie could not halt Instrumentality.

edited 24th Feb '12 5:16:47 PM by Mio

Something interesting I learned while lurking today: Light is the only Magnificent Bastard villain Ginger doesn't like. Just because he's the main character doesn't mean he's not the villain.

Now as for Order, I'd think it would turn the Elements of Harmony against themselves, as some of them are naturally orderly. In fact, it pretty much splits them down the middle, with Loyalty, Honesty, and Generosity representing order, and Laughter, Kindness, and Magic representing chaos (or spontaneity, if chaos has too negative of a connotation).

Hi Applelight. So, have you gotten a final decision from your university?

@Mio: I thought it was legitimately good, myself.

@Blue Media itself is manipulative by nature. It plays us into caring about the characters and worlds that it creates. I'm ok with that.

I don't like being AWARE that I'm being manipulated though. THAT is why I don't like things that are incredibly meaningful (or if I do, then not for all of the meaning horseshit)

You may say "Oh, that's just because it was heavy handed in how the message was delivered" Well I haven't seen a SINGLE film/book/game that's done it right if that's the case. I don't like feeling as if the writer is wallowing in his own cleverness.

Focus on making something ENTERTAINING! Focus on making the characters sympathetic.

When something was made purely because the creator "wanted to make people think" I INSTANTLY turn off.

@perpetual Magic strikes me as more of an order thing, since Twilight's soapbox speech in "Feeling Pinkie Keen" and in "Bridle Gossip" about magic being something you study and learn and practice, not just something that happens.

it would need some kind of flaw to keep it from winning outright.

Well the Auditors have several weaknesses. For example, they disappear if they use personal pronouns or eat too much chocolate.

@Bluespace, have you played the game Iji. It sounds like you might be interested. You can play through the whole game without killing anyone, and some of the events and dialog change depending on who and how many you kill.

Gentletropers.

So, Order, eh? A way of defeating him without the Elements? The Everfree Forest could be involved.

Ahh, you must really hate Ingmar Bergman, eh Ginger?

@Ginger: And yet you happily watch a cartoon that unironically includes an explicit Aesop at the end of each episode. There are exceptions, I suppose?

edited 24th Feb '12 5:19:51 PM by Bluespade

@Sky Magic is more neutral than anything, but it's very existence does disrupt the natural order. I'd say that a personification of order would very much try to destroy magic.

edited 24th Feb '12 5:20:14 PM by PerpetualLurker

@ Drenius

Yes and no. They're letting me aim for a transfer to the History Department...but that's a tricky move.

I like media that has meaning beyond it, even if it's only on a personal level, I mean that's how I found this place to begin with. The way media influences is always fascinating, and how media is influenced, the chicken, the egg, the cycle, the state of the human condition at the time... So... Fascinating....

Right, order, what would order look like when not in neutral cube form? If Discord's mosh mash menagerie is meant to represent his chaos, what creature would represent perfect order?

@bad Since it's the only place that acts "natural" in all of Equestria, I'd say it's the perfect example of natural order. Animals taking care of themselves, weather patterns happening unaided.

@Mousa I'd like to think a monotone earth pony. Maybe like one of those anon ponies tumblrs seem to be so fond of drawing.

edited 24th Feb '12 5:21:23 PM by SkyStrike

Well, that's a ray of hope, Apple!

As for media and influence, I recently got an interesting book, the Anatomy of Influence. I'm not very far in it currently, but it's interesting.

edited 24th Feb '12 5:22:42 PM by Drenius

@Storyyeller: I haven't, but I've read a lot about it (discovered by this wiki in fact) and have considered playing it many times... I just have a weird aversion to playing things on computer, so I haven't gotten around to it yet. Also, I fear that Dark Souls may very well have ruined all other games for me...

edited 24th Feb '12 5:21:30 PM by Bluespade

Now we're stretching the definition of "Order". If we approach it from a "not random" point of view, nature itself is not at all orderly.