So Order (don't like that name) is an eldritch stop having fun guy?

edited 24th Feb '12 4:37:36 PM by ApplelightLimited

@Apple We could probably use a synonym for Order, I just don't feel like thinking of one currently.

And everyone working on this seems to have a different idea of what kind of character he is.

Twilight: C'mon, you guys, Order means Organization! Organization!

(I coudln't think of a better word.)

Oh thank god, we're not devolving into yet another bloody foil discussion.

Like I said, I think the problem would be that Order's first... well, order of business would be to standardize everything. Now, Discord didn't go straight for screwing up everything on the atomic level, but god, think what would happen if Order decided that the best thing to do was to standardize the atomic mass of everything in Equestria.

Chaos CONTROL!

@Kegi and Ginger: guys, chill, don't start a personal thing over this. It's purely a personal preference, not anything to fight about.

edited 24th Feb '12 4:38:25 PM by Bluespade

I always thought of the rightness or wrongness of their actions as being one of the more interesting character elements to explore. Like, a character doing something wrong for good reason: Is he good, or bad? What about the person who opposes him? My favorite conflicts are the simple ones. Two men of opposing views doing battle, be it physical or mental. I suppose that's why I favour Manipulative Bastard and Guile Hero types so much. Remove the element of strength, and all you have is force of will, belief in your cause, and how right you are.

edited 24th Feb '12 4:43:24 PM by kegisak

@Red ...Wow.

EDIT: Wait, he'd get rid of himself with that, too. (I'm not sure if Order would be up for that)

edited 24th Feb '12 4:41:31 PM by crowlover

Standardizing atomic mass sounds like a last resort....

edited 24th Feb '12 4:41:03 PM by MousaThe14

^Exactly. Discord had a sense of humor, albeit a twisty one, and wanted to rule his entertaining land of chaos. I doubt Order would care much if she had to rule the universe, but it would be an endless grey bureaucracy full of copypasted grey worker drones stamping the same forms in triplicate with grey ink... forever.

edited 24th Feb '12 4:42:54 PM by RedSavant

Order looks like a Cardboard Box

Cue Metal Gear jokes.

And why not?

edited 24th Feb '12 4:43:09 PM by crowlover

@ Red

We made a new thread for that remember?

@ Order

They could be hilariously snarky and deadpan.

edited 24th Feb '12 4:45:31 PM by ApplelightLimited

@Gionger, last page: No, no no no no. That wasn't my intention at all, I'm sorry. I perfectly understand that a lot of people don't like it, and they don't like debating philosophy while they're watching a movie or what have you. That doesn't make them any less intelligent, and I completely respect that they don't want any part of it. They find their interest somewhere else in media.

But what interests me about media most is it's ability to influence people. I love seeing people ponder over things, and learn and grow, and strive to be better. My favourite movies always leave me sitting in the theatre thinking, because I share that same drive myself. I want to know everything, experience everything. So I like stuff that challenges my point of view, and makes me think - makes me grow. From a more detached standpoint, I find people interesting; I like watching how they react to new experiences.

Gray and Grey morality is often more cerebral than other moral standards, and It tends to draw people to introspection by it's nature. But that isn't for everyone, and I recognize that. It doesn't make them stupid - the smartest person in the world may well have no interest in themselves, or in challenging their worldviews.

I invented an archness like that, Edward Gorey, he wanted to bring his self-perceived utopia upon the multiverse by transmitting his mind across central points in almost every known universe. A character that would enslave entire worlds to fit his dull grey and perfect world order so they would be better susceptible to his assimilation.

It's a beautiful form of villainy....

Order must be made!

What would the EOH do to Order?

Resolve the plot.

And that smartest person is Light.

And Twi-Light, pre-Elements of Harmony

@kegi I am perfectly capable of liking villains who are in the wrong. I am perfectly capable of thinking that they're motivations are sympathetic despite knowing that they're going to lose in the end.

What I don't like is when the media itself portrays both sides as being equal parts right and wrong.

I'm not interested in "Are they wrong?". I'm interested in "Why do they honestly think that they're right?" and "What can the hero learn from them?"

I'm more interested in character than morality. If one side is right, and one side is wrong, then the morality issue is already figured out, that just leaves the characters. If what I'm saying makes any sense

Can't think of anything constructive to say.

Taco

The EOH will do, absolutely nothing, they will have to beat Order in a battle of wits. They must out logic the being of Logic.

@Chadaman:

• Pick completely random topic you'd be interested in discussing.
• Tangentially link it to ponies.
• Derail success!

That's how we do things 'round these parts.

They'd be so screwed. None of the Mane 6 is good at thinking logically.

edited 24th Feb '12 4:52:46 PM by Bluespade

Could Order be discorded Discord?

@ Mousa

Which is why I'd love for Order to be some sort of being from another dimension.

Say, what if they were called...Conformity?

Well, Equestria is doomed then.

Unless they bust out Discord to fight'em. . .nah, that would be stupid.

Just wanted to say that the concept of Order is awesome.

edited 24th Feb '12 4:53:07 PM by Mio