L would be a Pegasus because the actor who does his voice used to play Kid Icarus from Captain N.

Personally, killing the FBI was the Moral Event Horizon for me.

And maybe Twilight would become a Cthuhlu-esque worshipper for Order, scrawling some insane babbling about organizing things and making chants about keeping schedules clear and concise.

Actually sounds like a pretty good show for small children.

@Storyyeller: The auditors from discworld the auditors? Becuase they'd make for interesting villains. Too... bureaucratic for a cartoon, though.

edited 24th Feb '12 4:08:20 PM by kegisak

@story Even with the agents I could at least understand why he did it. I could even understand his reasons with Naomi... until...

Until he purposefully made it so that the last thing she ever felt was fear and despair. That's when I started wanting to punch his head through the wall.

I swear they could get away with bureaucratic villain... it would be AWESOME!

edited 24th Feb '12 4:13:35 PM by gingerninja666

@Order villian Since I brought it up, I feel a bit responsible for this.

He would probably appear as a plain, monotone earth pony. Twilight might have summoned him at first, not realizing the extent of his powers. However, after he dispatches Celestia and Luna for "upsetting the balance of power, " the Mane 6 realize they need to stop him.

In my headcanon, harmony is the perfect balance between order and chaos. Not predictable, but not insanity either.

edited 24th Feb '12 4:15:44 PM by SkyStrike

Yeah, it wasn't so much killing her as that one last dick move. Then agains he must have been dying to tell someone.

Light apparently has a compulsion to gloat once he thinks he's won.

And that's exactly why he lost

I was so happy/riled up when that happened that I actually gripped my laptop so hard I cracked it

edited 24th Feb '12 4:23:29 PM by gingerninja666

You know, if it weren't for those Bond Villain Stupidity problems, he would have won, or at least he wouldn't have lost in such an undignified manner. Why can't all villains go down like Ulfric Stormcloak, making you feel unsure whether you did the right thing?

@Ginger: Yeah, it'd be cool, but... it doesn't really fit, you know? All of the real villains so far have been really in-your-face, even the minor antagonists. Suddenly introducing a villain that only works through other ponies, or even just through processes designed to screw the girls over, would feel sort of awkward in comparison.

A Manipulative Bastard I can see, but a straight up bureaucrat I have a bit harder of a time seeing.

Because then the reader isn't sure if they were rooting for the good guy or not, and they don't like that?

edited 24th Feb '12 4:25:15 PM by kegisak

I feel like tying the two current topics together by pointing out that the previous Spike the dragon had the same voice as Ryuk in English, and he also tried to impose his own unhelpful order on Ponyville in his debut movie.

Because his defeat was the single most satisfying thing I have EVER. FUCKING. WATCHED. If it hadn't been there I would've tracked down Ohba and killed her

When Matsuda started shooting him, I started saying his line along with him.

Why do you have to sound like you're talking down to people like that? (I'm talking about your response to Handle not me)

edited 24th Feb '12 4:26:31 PM by gingerninja666

I'd honestly perfer a single pony villian who is against the core Elements...solitary, dishonest, apathic, greedy, angry and malicious.

@kegi I see him as a cold, emotionless guy who just does it because it's all he can do. He'd kill a thousand ponies for the sake of organization.

...Although I doubt we're thinking the same thing on this.

@Apple I usually prefer an anti-Mane 6 for that. Flim Flams (lying), Blueblood (selfishness), Gilda (betrayal), and Trixie (magic). Not sure who to use for kindness and laughter, though.

edited 24th Feb '12 4:30:09 PM by SkyStrike

Back from dog walk. Had to stop my dog from trying to murder 2 other dogs, 3 cars, and a little girl (jk, on that one, before anyone freaks out, I just had to convince her that trying to pet my dog was a bad idea)

So: Deathnote discussion.

@L Mage: That pony L would be a great pic if for one thing: it gave L bishie eyes. L has dead fish eyes, they're pretty much his most noticeable feature. Also, of course no one ever found Naomi's body. Naomi was really smart, and Light commanded her too kill herself in such a way that no one would ever find her body.

Light would kill both Princesses (simply for being powerful enough to stand against him), all of the Element Holders (once they rose up against him), so basically the entire main cast, minus Spike.

Now about this so called "Order" villain, it sounds interesting but it would need some kind of flaw to keep it from winning outright. Discord only lost because he enjoyed toying with his enemies, but an Order type villain shouldn't have that problem. Maybe if it simply couldn't understand ponies enough to predict their actions?

I love that.

Pretty much. Unfortunately for Ginger, that would probably make Pinkie its biggest weakness.

edited 24th Feb '12 4:31:49 PM by Bluespade

Order cannot comprehend impluse?

@Ginger: Most of it probably comes from the fact that I'm running on 2 hours of sleep, so I'm less inclined to be gracious than normal. Another hefty part of it is that I tend to have a fairly low opinion of consumers by default, as a sort of defense mechanism against the sort of products I know I'm going to have to work on, and I know people are going to buy regardless of how generic and banal it will be. I want to employ All Viewers Are Geniuses, but if I do on too large of a scale I know I'll just be disappointed. So if I ever want to I do it on a niche scale, and the rest of the time I expect the worst so I'll be pleasantly surprised.

The final section is probably just that I seem to have a knack for reading and predicting people, and I notice that there are certain things that just don't sit well. Moral ambiguity is one of them. People don't like to be 'wrong', and they don't like rooting for the bad guy because of it.

I know I should try not to sound so dismissive, and that really isn't my intention. it's just one of those things that sort of depresses me, and I suppose lethargic fatalism can seem condescending.

edited 24th Feb '12 4:32:18 PM by kegisak

@Blue I think he'd have an AI type weakness. Usually, AI villains (like GLaDOS) overload if they're given a paradox. So Order has to organize everything he sees. The Mane 6 would have to find something that would take him a long time, however, because he's incredibly efficient. If they wrecked Twilight's library, he could fix it before they got all the elements ready.

A Discord opposite called Order. Discord, spirit of Chaos, madman in it for the fun.

Order... Perhaps another spirit, something summoned or released? Perhaps a being of stone, something whose neutral form is a stone block, a perfect cube, but can shapeshift as well. Perhaps an aura that brings logic upon the world and she can even turn off Pinkie's comedy abilities.

@Mousa The pedestal Discord was standing on?

That would explain his expression. He was so happy after triumphing over his age old foe, he didn't see Luna and Celestia about to attack him.

edited 24th Feb '12 4:35:47 PM by SkyStrike

Sigh, This is why I don't like Gray and Grey Morality.

I like KNOWING who's in the wrong, that way I can just focus on the characters rather than debating whether or not what they're doing is right or not.

edited 24th Feb '12 4:34:18 PM by gingerninja666

Oh, I'd love to see Pinkie get her loony toons powers shut off for an episode. She'd keep trying to use them in whatever way came naturally and end up slamming into walls and bouncing off the ceiling and such. It would be hilarious.

But this isn't that kind of show. The Elements already ARE a resort to violence, even if they are nonlethal. I'd like to see them beat a villain with diplomacy for once.

edited 24th Feb '12 4:36:24 PM by Bluespade

Yeah, I want a villain the elements wont work on. You need to beat him up to get the job done!

@kegi wait, wait, wait. Did you just call me stupid for not liking Gray and Grey Morality?