@Applelight: Ooh, good one.

Pagetopper: Smile Smile Remix

edited 24th Feb '12 4:54:55 PM by Bluespade

Yeah I'm really liking Order/Conformity/Borzaro too.

For some reason I imagine them with completely featureless, rounded heads. They look vaguely pony like and are completely white

Pony Scratch?

edited 24th Feb '12 4:56:14 PM by Bluespade

Sound like mannequins...

edited 24th Feb '12 4:56:04 PM by TheFreeman

And that's completely valid, Ginger. You like the characters in the story, I like the implications of the story outside of the story.

I hadn't meant to be insulting. It's just that my biggest goal as a game designer is to make people think, and to make them grow because of it. I just know that not a lot of gamers go looking for that, and they might not all appreciate it if it happens. It bothers me to know that otherwise reasonable and intelligent people are willing to overlook interesting an compelling morals in favour of just... killing stuff. Cynicism and snark are my ways of dealing with it.

Sounds like you make the sort of games I would like to play. Can you say what games you've worked on, or are you sworn to secrecy for some reason?

EDIT: Now that I've actually listened to it, that Pagetopper link I posted is pretty good.

edited 24th Feb '12 4:58:01 PM by Bluespade

Eh, I'm not in the industry just yet. I'm graduating soon, so here's hoping, though. I'm kinda banking on Eidos at the moment, actually, because they make that sort of game - you can go through Deus Ex and Thief killing almost no one.

So I haven't worked on any actual games just yet, but I've got plenty of ideas - like everyone and their dog. I do have a fallout new Vegas mod in the works, though. Should reach beta next week or so.

Ok, well, Order isn't turning out at all like I thought, but whatever. This version is cool too.

My thoughts on Order is that he would be a Cerebus Knight Determinator. He'd work to organize everything, without regard to the cost to others.

I love the Blank Ponies

Ah, well that's cool, I hope you go far, we need more of that sort of thinking in the industry.

@Sky Strike: That sounds more doable for a show of this sort, so you have my support.

edited 24th Feb '12 5:01:52 PM by Bluespade

@ Sky

What did you picture them as?

EDIT: Op, never mind. You answered.

@ kegisak

I wish you well in your future endevours!

edited 24th Feb '12 5:03:15 PM by ApplelightLimited

@Kegi: You sound like you might have some serious game design going on there. I seriously hope you won't sell your soul to EA, Activision, or Ubisoft.

@kegi Sigh. Then I guess the inevitable impasssssssssssse

The Meaning vs Entertainment problem.

I am the only person in my film class who sides with Entertainment. (and seeing as how I'm a shit debater, you can guess how well our discussions go over )

@Blue I think the fans would enjoy a Snark Knight, since they've loved snarky characters before. I just wish this series would get a Cerebus Knight.

Kegisak, have I told you lately that I love you? Because you are absolutely brilliant. You are the sort of chap the media world needs more of!

@ Order topic, I suppose you're all right, I just don't like the idea of the EOH being "a get out of conflict scot free token" I want their characters to factor into their victory somehow, that they win through mind or character or a lesson or something!

Heck I wouldn't even mind if they simply learned "sometimes you have to work with people you don't like and make compromises" and bust out Discord.

@Mousa If they bust out Discord, he could do the Sealed Evil In a Duel thing and redeem himself.

edited 24th Feb '12 5:05:02 PM by SkyStrike

@Ginger: I Take a Third Option. In my opinion, the absolute most important thing for a piece of fiction is to be entertaining... but I personally find them more Entertaining if there is some deeper Meaning to be had. Works that exist purely as a sort of allegory for the underlying Meaning get an automatic fail in my opinion though.

@Sky Strike: I think a Knight Of Cerberus is taking it too far, I like how lighthearted MLP is. But some more conflict with the villains would be nice.

I agree, I have issues with the Eo H, specifically that they simply seem to do whatever is necessary to resolve the problem of the day. At least the show only resorts to using them once a season.

EDIT: How did I not get ninja'd?

edited 24th Feb '12 5:07:17 PM by Bluespade

Speaking of Smile remixes...

@Blue I don't expect them to do a Cerebus Knight, it's just something about them I find interesting. I might have to go find a series with a good one.

Also, to defeat Order, I still like the idea that they have to distract him with utter chaos in order to use the Eo H or whatever they plan to do. And who better than do make chaos than Discord?

edited 24th Feb '12 5:08:50 PM by SkyStrike

Oh God, Discord verus Order!

Discord: Order?!! That sick freak!!!'''

edited 24th Feb '12 5:10:51 PM by ApplelightLimited

Aheh... thanks guys. Just have to work hard, hope the industry goes my way and meet people with money and open minds.

@Ginger: It may not be as much of an impasse as you think. The reason I picked games is because they are entertaining first - it make people a lot more receptive of a lesson if they're enjoying the package, you see. So I focus on making a fun game, but inserting something in it that makes you think. Like a game that's wholly escort-quest, but you only get a game over when the child dies, not you (imitating the feeling of parenthood, in theory), or one where you're constantly told your goal ins't worth it in such a way as to make you fight harder, only for the goal to be revealed to be something you wouldn't expect (in the context of the idea you are fighting to rescue your captured love, only when you finally rescue them it turns out the player character was actually in a homosexual relationship - build the characters attachment, then spring that on them to see how they feel).

But yeah, games should always be fun first. But the nature of the medium means that we can introduce people to morals and experiences through the mechanics, and make them more powerful for it.

Komme Susser Tod Smile Remix:

@Apple And he thought Celestia could be grim.