It's just that a major part of my fic revolves around how the elements of harmony work. Like if all but "Magic" are used then the target is imprisoned for a thousand years, but if All 6 are activated, the target is purified. I have it so Alicorns can access the power of 5 of them, but need a group of friends to wield all 6.

I just had this idea that Celestia overestimated how many friends Twilight would make, and hoped that she would only gain the power of 5, so she can imprison Nightmare Moon again, rather than purify her and forcing Celestia to share the throne again

edited 10th Jul '11 8:08:46 PM by gingerninja666

^aaaaaaaaargh

I can see that working if she didn't know there was any way to purify Nightmare Moon - sort of an 'if I can't have my baby sister back, then she can stay in the moon forever'. I know I'm a sap, but she really does love Luna...

The way i did it in mine Celestia didn't even know you could purify someone, and she just couldn't bring herself to banish her sister to the moon AGAIN, so she laid it on twilights lap...then twilight did the imposible.

But if you find the 7th element, then you can summon an even better Captain Planet!

And if you find the 8th Element you DESTROY THE UNIVERSE!

Then with the 9th element you can put it back together again.

The tenth one makes it explode twice.

But if you do that, you might end up creating the mirror universe, and nobody wants that.

I'm sorry, I really am, I'm just a huge fan of the Evilestia theory. To be fair though, I'm having it so that Celestia accidentally releases the essense that corrupts Luna, and decides to exploit the event to the upmost. She really does love her subjects, and keeping them safe is a top priority for her outside of having them worship her. She's just gotten a bit too used to how things are, and didn't particularly want a wild card like Luna coming back in who could ruin everything (that and I'm having it so the Elements don't actually destroy the evil in Luna, just move it somewhere else. Celestia would know this, and rather have it contained to one person she can keep constant tabs on)

edited 10th Jul '11 8:26:46 PM by gingerninja666

I don't mind most of the Trollestia stuff, but when people try to fit it into the show's canon it doesn't really fit. I mean, she's mischievous, but that's as far as it goes.

This is how i see Celestia

A lot of people go all DAWWW for luna but i feel Celestia get's overlooked alot.

Let's look at her past

She is over 1, 000 years old, in that time she has had to watch everypony she could care about grow old and die, even Twilight isn't going to be immune.

She's a celebrity, she can't just go out and make friends without being mugged by paparazi

She' is soly responsibly for raising the moon and sun, laying the heath of all of equestria at her hooves

She had to banish her sister to the moon to prevent the end of the world

she had to banish her SISTER, for a thousand years, knowing when she came back she would just try to destroy the world again

It's the fact that we don't KNOW that though, I for one like to keep the issue open, if she's really good that's great, if she's evil, that's also cool

edited 10th Jul '11 8:33:49 PM by gingerninja666

^^^Yeah. It's like shipping; it's fine in fanworks, but I don't like it when people point out things that supposedly prove it in canon. (And you know I'm a fan of slash, but even so, I don't consider it canon.)

See, this is why we need the flashback episode where a little pink Celestia sings "I'd always planned to be purely perfect!"

Why don't you keep your mind open to the possibility that ANYTHING can end up being canon? No reason to restrict yourself unless it's COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE. The Trollestia issue I think is vague enough to still be potentially viable

edited 10th Jul '11 8:46:10 PM by gingerninja666

Okay I will try to keep my mind more open!

If you look back on Celestia's main appearance episodes, specifically the later season ones, SHE IS A FUCKING TROLL!!!!

"Bird in the Hoof" The tea issue.

"Best Night Ever" S He even SAID she was hoping they'd liven things up. Means she was trolling EVERYONE ELSE at the Gala

The issue is more about whether she was malevolent or uncaring in her trolling, rather than just being lighthearted

I say it could go either way, but having the mane six pull a What the Hell, Hero? moment on Celestia would be so damn awesome

edited 10th Jul '11 8:54:29 PM by gingerninja666

Yeah that's not trolling, that's just being too coo fo schoo

What's wrong with that? In a Bird in the Hoof, everyone was being so prim and proper. All she did was break the ice and show that it was okay to loosen up around her.

And The Best Night Ever? She spent the entirety of the party greeting guests. Nothing else. Now imaging doing this exact same thing for a thousand years.

All I see is a Princess who doesn't necessarily want to be treated like one all the time.

edited 10th Jul '11 9:00:37 PM by RichReeders

"Why don't you keep your mind open to the possibility that ANYTHING can end up being canon? No reason to restrict yourself unless it's COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE."

I find that in a scale of one to ten the idea that the writer are going to have Celestia be a cruel troll or anything of the sort to be very much on the low end of the scale. Thus, trying to fit it into canon just seems jarring.

@Ginger:If we were the show's primary targets, then yes, I might expect Evilestia to be a viable possibility. But regardless of the depth of characterization, worldbuilding goodness, and Lauren Faustitude, you have to consider the real target audience and, to perhaps a greater extent, the series' tone so far. The brilliant, beautiful alicorn princess isn't going to turn out to be an oppressive, power-hungry tyrant.

Now, Trollestia I support. She's proven that she likes to be mischievous in the past, to the point of introducing the mane cast to Canterlot's hoi polloi for the sole purpose of shaking them up (if not quite to the extent they ended up, but...), after all.

Anyway, I'm gonna take a second to address something tangentially related I've been thinking about for a while. This isn't directed at you, Ginger, your comment just provides a nice jumping-off point.

I was at Connecticon over the weekend, and there was a panel on FiM there that struck me as rather alarmist. It predicted that the series will eventually fall into a morass of fandom nods and brony trolling because that's what the fanbase wants, or something similar to that argument, and that it will eventually lose all its refreshingness and... well, not really 'innocence', but... soul, perhaps. I have to emphatically disagree. I won't deny that there are a lot of fans who'd like to see the show with more of an edge; but I have to say that I don't understand that at all. The show's appeal is in its... damn, again I can't say 'innocence'. It's clear-eyed, perhaps, is what I want to say. Not cynical at all. Cynicism goes against a lot of what it stands for (aside from selling toys, that is, in a massive ironic blow to my argument), so if the show does lose its soul, it'll be in the other direction - sanitized, not cynicized, if I'm allowed to be twee.

...Moving on. JTeeth, answer me honestly: am I a spaz?

edited 10th Jul '11 9:04:15 PM by RedSavant

ergo she should endanger the lives of her guests or otherwise disrupt THEIR good time just because SHE's bored.

I don't consider her evil because of that, but it was one of her more selfish moments.

and I don't realistically expect her to be PURE evil. Just revealed to be a lot (or a bit) more slefish than she lets on

edited 10th Jul '11 9:08:30 PM by gingerninja666

At first I thought you were saying with this that the show's primary targets expect Celestia to be evil, but we know better.

^Heh. Like I said, no way the sparkly alicorn princess is evil.

*Smash Cut to S2E1's premiere*

I can't believe the sparkly alicorn princess was evil all along...

edited 10th Jul '11 9:10:33 PM by RedSavant