I (me myself) think that Luna and Celly are equal in power on their own, NMM trumps Celly on her own and Celly + Eo H trumps NMM.

edited 13th Feb '12 11:29:03 AM by LMage

You're exaggerating.

Ginger wants Celestia to be stronger than Nightmare Moon. Enlong wants Nightmare Moon to be stronger than Celestia. They can't both happen.

edited 13th Feb '12 11:29:08 AM by Badwolfwho

@Enlong She let herself get kidnapped because she was planning on the Mane Cast to purify Luna (something that she couldn't do with the elements)

"Want"?

I dunno about that.

It just seemed the logical conclusion, reading the story from the first episode, is all.

And there's nothing saying she isn't stronger now.

Actually, it is perfectly reasonable to think that she used the Elements because it was more of a sure thing than a straight confrontation.

edited 13th Feb '12 11:30:54 AM by Enlong

Sorry, should have put believes.

Actually, I think what L Mage just said is closer to what I think.

Sorry, I don't like people insulting Celestia's power. She's like my 3rd favourite character.

Idea for a story I had: In the future (like, 10 years later, when the crew has all gone their separate ways but still keep in touch), Twilight goes on a journey to investigate whatever it was that corrupted Luna and transformed her into Nightmare Moon, despite Luna's warnings. She gets corrupted and returns to threaten Ponyville, and since she is the holder of one of the Elements the group cannot use the Elements against her.

I had a whole lot of ideas for the plot, the way the characters had changed over the years, their current jobs and accomplishments, etc. Of course I don't write fanfic so...

Nobody has actually insulted her though.

Saying that a character is stronger than another character is not insulting that second character.

edited 13th Feb '12 11:35:31 AM by Badwolfwho

I'm not insulting her, honest. I just thought that's what the storybook implied. There are other explanations, to be sure.

And I never really intended a power level thing: I just thought that Magic made sense as one of Luna's elements, thinking that the six were of roughly equal power.

For the record, I peg Celestia as Laughter, Kindness, Honesty, and Luna as Magic, Loyalty, Generosity.

Honesty and Loyalty could be changed, but I think Laughter, Magic, Kindness, and Generosity are in the right places.

edited 13th Feb '12 11:37:52 AM by Enlong

@Bad it does when the character you're claiming is stronger is Luna.

sorry, sorry. Looking at her personality, I really don't like the idea of her being able to casually kick Celestia's ass.

edited 13th Feb '12 11:38:41 AM by gingerninja666

...Are you saying that Luna is weak?

So you'd prefer it if I said any other character was stronger than Celestia even though Luna is the only one on a similar power level?

Cadence > Celestia > Luna

I don't think she even beat Celestia. "Capturing" is not the same as "Beating".

Ooh, now thats harsh, Ginger. What, you think Luna is weak?

She's still a goddess. Raises the moon and brings in the stars. That's pretty impressive on it's own. When she was talking to Twilight in Luna Eclipsed she mentioned the elements of harmony "took away [her] dark powers". So we can guess that whatever helped her turn probably gave her a power boost. So we have what is already a powerful goddess, given a power boost... I think Nightmare Moon could beat Celestia without the elements.

I'm saying that I rank power levels in different strata based on personality. With the exception of villains, I don't like Hot headed, impulsive types at the very top.

Luna can kick ANYONE'S ass for all I care (I even love imagining it) just not Celestia's

Considering that, if it was a legitimate capture, that Celestia had been expecting it for a millennium? I'd say it'd be a legitimate win. Though, because of that circumstance, it was probably a ploy by Celestia.

And again, I only think that Nightmare Moon would be stronger than Celestia, at the time that she fell. She took on those dark powers for the purpose of being "greater" than her sister. If she could not win her subjects' love, she would demand their fear. Very Machiavelli of her.

So you prefer, say, Trixie to be weaker than Twilight?

edited 13th Feb '12 11:44:40 AM by Enlong

Cadence must die!

@ Demon Shark

Sorry, there was some confusion about who posted that completely amazing humanisation of the SSC S6k earlier.

edited 13th Feb '12 11:45:16 AM by ApplelightLimited

Guys, this is a slice of life show. It's not Dragon Ball Z.

Bluespade, that is clearly a lie and you know it.

Hey, your element list makes sense to me. This is only tangentially related, but you giving Laughter to Celestia made me imagine her singing Giggle at the Ghostly.

edited 13th Feb '12 11:47:35 AM by Swasfews

I just wanted to assign the Elements to the sisters...

I have a feeling that Celestia was Laughter, and Luna was Honesty.