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#94401 gingerninja 666 Mon, 13th Feb '12 11:16:10 AM from Aboard The Damocles

Please don't start.

I have a persoanl HATRED of superior younger siblings.

"Contests fought between two masters are decided instantly. An invisible battle is now raging between the two of them." Lulu vs Schneizel

#94402 Bluespade Mon, 13th Feb '12 11:16:16 AM from Texas

I don't see how Magic is the strongest element, or how ANY of them could be considered stronger. They don't do ANYTHING unless they are used together. The only difference between magic and the others is that you have to get a group of friends together to make it appear, therefore causing everyone involved to learn a lesson.

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#94403 Enlong Mon, 13th Feb '12 11:16:58 AM from The Magitek Holyland

Then how about this?

Luna isn't stronger than Celestia.

But Nightmare Moon is.

Whatever those dark powers she gathered were, it granted her power like unto Discord.

edited 13th Feb '12 11:17:43 AM by Enlong

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#94404 Badwolfwho Mon, 13th Feb '12 11:17:22 AM from The Sun

I just figure it's something she can do, I mean she takes the form of Nightmare Moon in Luna Eclipsed.

edited 13th Feb '12 11:17:27 AM by Badwolfwho

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#94405 Bluespade Mon, 13th Feb '12 11:17:42 AM from Texas

Where was it said that Celestia used the Elements on Luna? She shouldn't have been able to use them at all by herself...

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#94406 Enlong Mon, 13th Feb '12 11:18:03 AM from The Magitek Holyland

The intro to the first episode, man.

The shape, yes. But I doubt she took on the same power she had as the real Nightmare Moon.

edited 13th Feb '12 11:18:30 AM by Enlong

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#94407 L Mage Mon, 13th Feb '12 11:18:08 AM from The Moon

That was just an illusion. Her NMM powers came from her bitterness and anger.

edited 13th Feb '12 11:18:33 AM by LMage

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#94408 Badwolfwho Mon, 13th Feb '12 11:18:25 AM from The Sun

Third time in a day. New record.

Does it say that in the episode?

edited 13th Feb '12 11:19:09 AM by Badwolfwho

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#94409 Bluespade Mon, 13th Feb '12 11:18:48 AM from Texas

@Enlong: To clarify, I didn't think you were wrong, I just don't see how it makes sense. I think the show made an error...

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#94410 L Mage Mon, 13th Feb '12 11:19:54 AM from The Moon

Her transformation into NMM was due to her fury over Ponies preferring the day to the night. I assume that would also be the source of her new powers.

edited 13th Feb '12 11:20:18 AM by LMage

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#94411 Enlong Mon, 13th Feb '12 11:20:11 AM from The Magitek Holyland

I don't think it would screw up the lore of the Elements in the same episode that introduced them. I think, perhaps, the reason Celestia was only able to banish Luna instead of cleansing her was because she was wielding them all alone. The thing with having Twilight find the elements with her friends was so that she'd be able to use them at their fullest potential.

Ah, so it was the power of the darkness in her heart.

edited 13th Feb '12 11:21:21 AM by Enlong

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#94412 Bluespade Mon, 13th Feb '12 11:20:51 AM from Texas

Faust implied there was some sort of outside force that caused her to change, stating that her transformation wasn't exactly her fault.

edited 13th Feb '12 11:21:10 AM by Bluespade

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#94413 Badwolfwho Mon, 13th Feb '12 11:21:06 AM from The Sun

Or the reason she used her magic like she did as Nightmare Moon was because of bitterness and she always had it.

It makes sense to me Celestia was busy ruling, Luna must have had a lot more time to hone her skills.

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#94414 gingerninja 666 Mon, 13th Feb '12 11:21:32 AM from Aboard The Damocles

@Enlong: No. Because I think that whole story is much more effective if it's clear that Celestia beating Luna doesn't matter. She could kick NM around all day and it still wouldn't make her lower the moon, it would only rob her of her beloved sister.

Beating her doesn't matter. That hypothesis only works if Celestia can beat NM by herself

"Contests fought between two masters are decided instantly. An invisible battle is now raging between the two of them." Lulu vs Schneizel

#94415 L Mage Mon, 13th Feb '12 11:21:52 AM from The Moon

It was her fault to a degree, a outside forcing just helping it along.

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#94416 gingerninja 666 Mon, 13th Feb '12 11:23:23 AM from Aboard The Damocles

Here's another reason: I don't like show offs to be the stronger ones. The one who uses LESS power in my mind is he stronger one

"Contests fought between two masters are decided instantly. An invisible battle is now raging between the two of them." Lulu vs Schneizel

#94417 Enlong Mon, 13th Feb '12 11:23:32 AM from The Magitek Holyland

And I think it's an interesting story if banishing Luna was the only thing she could do, using the Elements all alone, and that she spent the next millenium looking for people who would be able to use them at their fullest and save her sister, so that she wouldn't have to do that again.

But you love Trixie? I don't even know.

but again, I don't think that Magic is the "strongest" element. They certainly don't make any claims of that in-story...

edited 13th Feb '12 11:24:54 AM by Enlong

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#94418 L Mage Mon, 13th Feb '12 11:24:31 AM from The Moon

,

Neither of these suggestions are mutually exclusive to each other.

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#94419 Badwolfwho Mon, 13th Feb '12 11:25:08 AM from The Sun

They are.

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#94420 gingerninja 666 Mon, 13th Feb '12 11:25:22 AM from Aboard The Damocles

@Enlong but that's what I mean, Using the elements or killing her sister are the only two options in my eyes.

"Contests fought between two masters are decided instantly. An invisible battle is now raging between the two of them." Lulu vs Schneizel

#94421 dmysta 3000 Mon, 13th Feb '12 11:26:49 AM from New York and New Jersey

I do hope that they actually go into what really caused Luna to turn into Nightmare Moon in a future episode...

Or they could do something like The Origin of Evil...

edited 13th Feb '12 11:27:55 AM by dmysta3000

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#94422 Enlong Mon, 13th Feb '12 11:26:59 AM from The Magitek Holyland

Yes. She didn't want to give up on her sister.

Also, there was the fact that Nightmare Moon kidnapped(?) Celestia during her return.

edited 13th Feb '12 11:28:05 AM by Enlong

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#94423 L Mage Mon, 13th Feb '12 11:27:36 AM from The Moon

@ Bad

Not really, say that Celesita was more powerful (which I myself don't see it as, I think that on their own the sisters are equal), she still couldn't purify/banish Luna without the Elements, which a function specific to them. It's entirely possible that she could have owned NMM with raw strength, and purified her with Elements had she and Luna been working together, but Celestia didn't want or could not do either of those things so she just banished her instead.

edited 13th Feb '12 11:28:04 AM by LMage

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#94424 gingerninja 666 Mon, 13th Feb '12 11:27:44 AM from Aboard The Damocles

Is there anything wrong with not wanting one of your favourite characters to be a pathetic weakling who could be bested by a casual cough from her younger sister?

"Contests fought between two masters are decided instantly. An invisible battle is now raging between the two of them." Lulu vs Schneizel

#94425 Enlong Mon, 13th Feb '12 11:28:23 AM from The Magitek Holyland

You're putting hyperbole in my mouth.

edited 13th Feb '12 11:28:33 AM by Enlong

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