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#52151
@death cloud: I don't see how that changes anything.

edited 10th Dec '11 3:01:38 PM by Crowind

gingerninja 666 avatar
#52152 from Aboard The Damocles from Aboard The Damocles
It makes him SLIGHTLY more justified in attacking Spike. By dragon standards he might have considered it an act of self-defense
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Death Cloud avatar
#52153 from SD Lucifer from SD Lucifer
[up][up]Whanting to kill kid for stealing some of his stuff is diffrent from whanting to kill kid who could become treat really fast.

But it's not exuse for whanting to kill baby dragon.

edited 10th Dec '11 3:05:27 PM by DeathCloud

They are like the others. Strange, hideous, resisting, fighting. Only these were not like the others. They did not die.
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#52154 from Mexico City! from Mexico City!
[up]that maakes a lot of sense.

edited 10th Dec '11 3:06:08 PM by FallenLegend

I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. C. S. Lewis
Calnos avatar
#52155 from Nowhere from Nowhere
Also: Bets that those cloaks will be showing up again in our Christmas episode? (I still can't decide whether Hearths' Warming Eve will be the Christmas episode or not.)

Oh its a Christmas episode alright.

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#52156
Well, no. Spike did steal his possessions, so the dragon being angry is justifiable (by dragon standards).

If you mean he's slightly more justifiable for attacking a baby dragon, then I don't see how being afraid of Spike's growth spurt has anything to do with it.

Edit: OK, gotcha. What I remember from that episode doesn't really suggest it, but I'm not trying to argue with you here.

edited 10th Dec '11 3:09:31 PM by Crowind

gingerninja 666 avatar
#52157 from Aboard The Damocles from Aboard The Damocles
If he DID suspect that Spike was under the effects of his greed instincts, what else could he have done about it? Spike showed the capacity to lie convincingly to Twilight in that state, he could've easily lied to the dragon and told him that he wouldn't come back.

He may have been paranoid, but it edges him out of MONSTER territory for me

[up] a baby dragon who could quickly become a massive THREAT to him

edited 10th Dec '11 3:09:55 PM by gingerninja666

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Mio avatar
#52158
It certainly puts a lot of the behavior of that dragon in perspective.

Actually it probably suggest that despite dragons being intelligent they would probably be to paranoid of each other to really form a society.
Death Cloud avatar
#52159 from SD Lucifer from SD Lucifer
It's more like Fringe Briliance and not that much justification. Horever in my head cannon dragons don't care about their younglings, like many reptiles.

Shame I missed fact that this ep was writen by my favorite pony writer.
They are like the others. Strange, hideous, resisting, fighting. Only these were not like the others. They did not die.
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#52160 from Right Here from Right Here
I have to agree, the idea that the Dragon might have been acting out of perceived self-defense strikes me as Fridge Brilliance.
gingerninja 666 avatar
#52161 from Aboard The Damocles from Aboard The Damocles
Spike blinking sideways (I think that's what he was doing) kinda creeped me out when I first saw it.

And I restate, What else could that green dragon have done?

edited 10th Dec '11 3:20:08 PM by gingerninja666

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Crowind avatar
#52162
Yes, the dragons we have seen so far do seem to indicate that they have no society whatsoever. Unless those are the mal-adapted dragons that deliberately live far away from their society.

Huh, I forgot this, but there not being books on dragons also imply that either normally hatching dragon eggs are not part of Celestia's school's entrance exam or the students are not meant to hatch the egg. Otherwise we'd be seeing more dragons running around and there'd be records on how to raise your dragons.

edited 10th Dec '11 3:22:59 PM by Crowind

kegisak avatar
#52163
It's also possible he was under the effects of rapid aging too - keep in mind he was closer to them than Basil, but they still didn't know about him. How? He was too small to be a problem before. Basil, on the other hand, was old enough that the hormone surge had worn off, and he was just plain old big.

Like, let's use the 'magical defense to make sure they don't get killed' theory. In that case it's likely that they would also be hyperagressive during these times, which we saw in spike. They're extremely defensive of their newfound hoard, and highly terrotoreal. Once they've established thier home and hoard, the hormones wear off and they set in 'big' mode, where they're allowed to live as they will, being able to defende themselves.

In other words: Their body goes through a spike in growth which kicks the male instints of aggresion and teriatorialism (as well as probably certain ah, urges, as well) into hyperdrive. Once the growth stops the hormones recede, and the rational mind re-emerges. puberty, in a nutshell.

Basil was an adult. Reggie was a teenager. He just wasn't out of the hormonal part of his growth cycle yet.
gingerninja 666 avatar
#52164 from Aboard The Damocles from Aboard The Damocles
Eh, I still think Reggie took the most logical (if not a little paranoid) course of action. His home had become a ripe target for this invading dragon, and judging by how insane Spike went over a BROOM, and when you consider that Spike goes nuts over gems NORMALLY, there was no way in hell he was going to just leave that cave of gems, big dragon guarding it or no. Reggie would be under constant threat
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#52165
I picture adult dragons (in this show) as peaceful loners. If somepony barges into their home, tells them to get out, and kicks them in the snout, though, they will defend themselves.
Pronounced "Sid-zellia" "Miss Cheerilee, don't make me greedy. You wouldn't like me when I'm greedy."
Death Cloud avatar
#52166 from SD Lucifer from SD Lucifer
I don't think peaceful is perfect word for them.
They are like the others. Strange, hideous, resisting, fighting. Only these were not like the others. They did not die.
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#52167
[up]They're not actively rampaging on their neighbors. That counts as peaceful, I think.
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#52168 from Aboard The Damocles from Aboard The Damocles
They just wanna be left alone. They even pick places where (they think) they won't be a bother to anyone
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kegisak avatar
#52169
It took basil getting kicked in the face for him to become actually defensive. Most people I know would try and swat a pest the moment it gets inside their home. An make no mistake, Basil probably didn't give a shit about them off the bat.

As for Razorfang/Reggie, I still hold that he was in the horading process when he attacked spike, and was thusly not in his right mind.
gingerninja 666 avatar
#52170 from Aboard The Damocles from Aboard The Damocles
[up] What else could Reggie do given the circumstances though? He always struck me as being a paranoid recluse (even moreso than dragons usually are)
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Death Cloud avatar
#52171 from SD Lucifer from SD Lucifer
[up][up][up]Last part is rather not true , at least with Basil example because he doesn't care about damage what he caused during sleep.

edited 10th Dec '11 3:36:13 PM by DeathCloud

They are like the others. Strange, hideous, resisting, fighting. Only these were not like the others. They did not die.
Crowind avatar
#52172
[up][up]Throw Spike out?

edited 10th Dec '11 3:36:50 PM by Crowind

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#52173
Thanks, kegisak. You explained it better than I did.
Pronounced "Sid-zellia" "Miss Cheerilee, don't make me greedy. You wouldn't like me when I'm greedy."
gingerninja 666 avatar
#52174 from Aboard The Damocles from Aboard The Damocles
[up][up][up] I still hold that Basil didn't know the damage his sleep was causing. His sleep has apparently NEVER been an issue before now, why would this place be any different?

[up][up] Then he'd try to come back in. How long do you expect Reggie to do that for?

edited 10th Dec '11 3:38:25 PM by gingerninja666

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kegisak avatar
#52175
I don't think he even knew about it - he only found out when he first woke up, after all

@Ginger: I assume you mean what he could do if her were in his right mind... Well, his only option were to chase Spike away, really. Spike had already eater a bunch of his gems, so he had plenty of reason to assume he had hit hoard-mode. And considering it was probably the equivalent of a winter store, he needed it. So yeah, his only real options were to tell Spike to piss off, or scare him away.

edited 10th Dec '11 3:39:04 PM by kegisak