I don' think Ml P will mention the issue of religion. Mostly to respect it's viwers

I have an urge to make a Feeling Pinkie Keen joke.

Having worshpiers seperate gods from powerfull beings.

But yes , we don't have 100% proof that Celestia is god for ponies. But she is closest thing to god in this show (not to mention having job of raising sun and moon).

I don't be offended if they confirm that Celestria is really god in pony religion.

edited 8th Dec '11 5:15:00 PM by DeathCloud

I still wanna see her use the RCV at some point. Maybe only on a single sentence. Or hell, perhaps only on a single word.

Being the most powerful being around is not a reason to proclaim them god. Luffy is not the god of One Piece. Celestia has been shown to be fallable, and in spite of her power we know she can be beaten.

hasn't she already? Didn't her "Twilight Sparkle" from Lesson Zero echo?

edited 8th Dec '11 5:18:13 PM by kegisak

I still wanna see her use the RCV at some point. Maybe only on a single sentence. Or hell, perhaps only on a single word.

Her "TWILIGHT SPARKLE!" in "Lesson Zero" came really close.

I kissed a Ninja and I liked it.

edited 8th Dec '11 5:20:01 PM by Sydxelia

was thiking the same thing

Oh My, Syd! Not in public, dear.

...why did I type that?

Like I said before. Having worshipers make you god. (For them). Not power itself. Unless seting have some specific devinition of god.

That sounded more like she was using a megaphone. The RCV gives you what sounds like a second voice, not to mention the insane amount of wind it causes.

She must have had it on the 'low' setting.

^Do the Ewoks worshipping C-3P0 make him a god? No, not at all. He may be a god from their point of view due to Sufficiently Advanced Technology (or because he's shiny... no, it's because he's shiny), but that doesn't make him a god.

Anyway, we've never seen Celestia being worshipped. People love, respect and fear her as a monarch, not a goddess.

Basically, she may very well count as a goddess in terms of power, but she's not worshipped and has nothing to do with any sort of religion.

Only way I can imagine Celestria doing that is situation like someone or somethign badly hurted Twilight or maybe other ponies.

So what make someone a god. I can only say that in can only point of few.

edited 8th Dec '11 5:29:16 PM by DeathCloud

But yeah, her "TWILIGHT SPARKLE!" was definitely the voice of A Princess You Do Not Want To Piss Off.

@Random: Except that no ponies in the setting treat Celestia as a god; they treat her as a monarch. The only indication of worship is Rarity's "With Celestia as my witness" line which a. is a shout out, so I'm taking it with a grain of salt, and b. might just have been used because there's no actual deity in the setting for Rarity to swear by, so Celestia is the next best thing.

There has been at least one instance of a phrase that uses the word "God" being repurposed to use "Celestia" instead.

Not to mention that their history reads like a good old fashioned Creation Myth, and apparently nobody was aware that she was the elder sister from the story (even though, considering her job, it's totally obvious).

It reads more like a native american 'how this happened' story than a proper creation myth. So in that respect they could be seen more as spirits than proper gods. The native americans respected and venerated the spirits, but they never worshipped them. At least, no canadian tribes did, as far as I recall.

Well, OK. Maybe not quite gods, but they're quite literally living legends.

@Death: My classification for a 'god' has two requirements: power above and beyond a normal being (which may also include immortality or other Required Secondary Powers), and worshippers. For instance, Accelerator from To Aru Majutsu no Index is an extremely powerful psychic with the power to redirect force vectors. When I say 'extremely powerful', I mean he can slow down the Earth itself to punch people with the added force. But since no one worships him, he's not a god.

Celestia is similar. She's very, very powerful, but because nopony worships her, I wouldn't call her a 'god' in the usual sense. As I've said before, she and Luna are much more like kami from Japanese mythology.

edited 8th Dec '11 5:34:22 PM by RedSavant

@Enlong: Well, yeah. If you've ever read Gunnerkrigg Court, think of the way people treat Coyote. He's immesurably powerful, and a living legend, but not even the forest people worship him. He's not really something to be worshipped; he's just there. You can respect him, but there's no cause to worship.

edited 8th Dec '11 5:36:26 PM by kegisak

Funny. See, when I think of Coyote, "god" is the first descriptor that comes to mind, right before "troll". I suppose it's all a question of semantics.

edited 8th Dec '11 5:38:28 PM by Enlong

I've never really considered that something had to be worshiped to actually be considered a god. On the other hand the term "god" is actually pretty vague and encompasses a lot of different entities.

"Are you a god?"
"Well, that's a good question. I do have near-supreme powers, and my abilities are beyond the ken of any mortal creature, but nobody really worships me, so I'm not sure if-"
"Then DIE!"

^Actually, when you put it that way... yeah, I may have been off in my definition.

...Now that I think about it, I appear to have been arguing for the exact opposite of my position. =| Celestia and Luna can definitely be called gods without being worshipped. It's the connotation of creation that isn't needed.

...Yeah, am I an idiot? That's exactly what I shouldn't have been arguing.

edited 8th Dec '11 5:42:22 PM by RedSavant

Thing is, I don't really see Celestia and Luna as being portrayed with godlike power either; they're definitely the most powerful ponies in existence, but they don't have the sort of transcendence that typical "gods" generally have; they exist in the same mode as other ponies, but just happen to be on the top of the power heap.

Anyway

1. We should probably settle what definition of "god" we're using

2. We really don't know enough about Celestia and Luna's powers to really say. Hopefully the Christmas episode will clear up some stuff.