Interesting. What do we know so far?

If the sun is moving at all it is by definition not a heliocentric model. It's geocentric, but I ee no indictions that the sun isn't the same size and distance as our own.

A lot of people have the exact opposite opinion about the episode.

@Sereg: If she really was engaging in criminal negligence when they came up with their plan I might agree, but they didn't. They came up with it before. The way the events are framed it makes it seem like they are doing it less out of concern fro the town and RD's behavior and more out of spite. In that way I see their tenure as MDW as contributing to Dash's negligence more then mitigating it (in the sense that she became more concerned with her reputation after she got a rival).

@Sereg People have a problem with it because there's alot of inferred strength being thrown around as fact, rather than demonstrated strength. Goku and Superman have been shown to be able to destroy planets. Celestia has been shown to be able to move the sun, but she hasn't been shown to be able to do much else. Just as her being able to crush the solar system could be within her power, it is equally possible that her extraordinary abilities extend to control over the sun, with everything else being skills acquired over the centuries, and all of that energy she's capable of harnessing to move the sun can't actually be used for anything else. Both interpretations are equally valid, so if people have a problem with yours, it's just because they see their own as more plausible in their own mind.

edited 29th Mar '13 7:44:01 AM by PerpetualLurker

Changelings get PWNED

@Mio: I disagree ith that interpretation, but anyway.

A: Super Strength isn't enough to explain it.

B: So do ponies (at the very least, earth ponies).

C: So, for example, pulling a house doesn't count as a demonstration of Super Strength unless we're told they have Super Strength? Um, Show, Don't Tell?

Sure, it's possible that the Sun is on railway track and all Celestia does is turn the engine on and off and so it's not her power but the engines for example. My point is that their is no evidence of that andunless things are incredibly weird in a way that the show hasn't even begun to hint at, her simply being that powerful is the simplest explanation.

edited 29th Mar '13 7:48:37 AM by Sereg

That's one of the best jokes I've ever heard in months.

Exactly!

There's also no evidence that it is, which is the crux of the argument. Given all the other massive departures from real world science, I find it far more likely that the sun isn't really that much like our own.

Also what Perpetual said.

@Sereg: 1. Nobody is talking about earth ponies; whether or not they have super strength is irrelevant to talking about the cosmology

2. We just established that the exact circumstances surrounding the super strength is questionable anyway

3. The point is what Perpetual said. We're willing to accept that Superman and Goku have super strength because it's repeatedly shown that they do. With Celestia it's entirely different, because there's no evidence that she's uberpowerful other than the fact that she can move the sun, and there are other explanations for how she can do that besides "she has absurd magic abilities". It's entirely possible that that is indeed the case, but it's far from the only plausible explanation.

edited 29th Mar '13 7:48:35 AM by JapaneseTeeth

Lurker took the words out my keyboard buffer

Anyways, tomorrow, stream at the Google Hangout again (might try doing this through Chrome next time lol). We're on to S1e11 and 12 now.

@Freeman: It's just a decorative mouspad mon.

edited 29th Mar '13 7:47:41 AM by AceOfScarabs

I hope to join the stream tomorrow.

@Apple: Have we added each other in G+ yet? That way I can invite you to the Hangout :D

I can't wait until we get to Fall Weather Friends, and start up that other argument.

I don't think so. How do I do it?

@edvedd - I'm actually okay with that.

Just sit back, and watch silly fillies sabotage each other, that's an entertainment.

@Apple: Add me in G+ (user:Chris Goh, the guy with the soulgem avatar like the one I'm using here lol), I'll add you back (Friends circle please :3c).

I made a relevant edit.

It's exactly what you're doing. Physics says they can't do those things, so their universes must run on, as you call it, "bullshit physics" and therefore their abilities must be discounted. All fiction must be treated equally or you start going, "I shot you!", "Nuh uh!"

@JT: I was speaking in general there rather than cosmologiclly, but whatevs. The edit still applies.

@Sereg -

OK, seriously, don't start stuff.

edited 29th Mar '13 7:58:44 AM by edvedd

@Sereg: Well, their abilities and powersets are from completely different sourcebooks lol.

Ponies still can't use iPads, at least not without a touchpen stylus.

edited 29th Mar '13 7:59:08 AM by AceOfScarabs

@edvedd - Worry not, I'm done here. I don't think this is going to go anywhere so I am out of here.

edited 29th Mar '13 8:00:21 AM by dRoy

Completely irrelevant.

@Sereg Just remember that there is equally no evidence of your interpretation either, and I don't consider it to be the simplest explanation given the evidence of when she has demonstrated her powers.

@Sereg: It is relevant when you're comparing a d20/pathfinder character to one from GURPS or Exalted or something. Or a Ogre Battle Tactics hero to someone from FF Tactics (War of the Lions) and to someone from FF Tactics A2 (Grimoire of the Rift).

edited 29th Mar '13 8:02:56 AM by AceOfScarabs

@Ace - What is this moonspeak?