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At the moment, I like the speculation that Discord and Celestia were lovers, or at least the former had a crush on the latter.

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No, seriously, how would they.....churn butter?

edited 22nd Sep '12 2:58:46 PM by PurpleDalek

well given it's Discord, probably with an actual old fashioned butter churn...made out of real butter that produces wooden planks.

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@Seraphem: I knew I'd get that reaction.

@Mio: I tend to think that most of the problems with Discord could have been solved if the episodes had been longer. If Discord had more time to manipulate the cast he could have broken them manually rather than having to brainwash them, and it would have made him seem a lot more devious, and made it less of an Ass Pull when he got defeated.

@Purple: He's a Reality Warper. If he can turn his head into a balloon, I doubt he'd have any difficult shapeshifting into a...suitable form.

I'm not sure how I feel about a potential Discord/Celestia ship. On one hand, I kinda like the idea that they used to be an item and had a bad break up, but it raises so many questions regarding Celestia's characterization that I'm not sure whether to headcanon it.

edited 22nd Sep '12 3:09:53 PM by JapaneseTeeth

@JT - I agree with that notion. I think he is a far too major villain to be defeated in just two episodes. If anything, I think it warrants a whole movie.

Also, while I find Twilight un-Discorded through the letters she wrote THE most awesome moment in the series, I believe that that card should have stayed in the deck until the show's last major arc.

Oh, and yeah, I don't really know how this Discord/Celestia pairing would work either.

edited 22nd Sep '12 3:11:10 PM by dRoy

@JT: Funny thing, a number of fanfics (like the Pony POV series and Trixie's Getting Back on Her Hooves) tend to have the Mane Six still getting nightmares about Discord tormenting them.

You wrote A Delicate Balance, right? If so, I think you did a good job, though you should probably try to limit the frequency with which she goes on long digressions. It doesn't happen that often.

well it all depends on how nuts Discord was before the break up, like maybe he was Chaotic Good at one point, and it was him slowly slipping into Chaotic Evil that caused Tia to break up with him, pushing him into full on villain mode.

edited 22nd Sep '12 3:12:19 PM by Seraphem

@Ace: I could see that; I just think it would have helped to show the whole manipulation process; I actually timed it out and he breaks the whole cast in about 11 minutes. You could easily make it twice as long without making it feel dragged out, and making it more mundane would allow it to stick more.

Yup, that's me. And she doesn't do that much in further chapters; it was more of an Establishing Character Moment than anything else.

edited 22nd Sep '12 3:14:00 PM by JapaneseTeeth

Shortness is definitely a problem with the major two parters. But there's no much they can do about it.

Yeah, agreed that's the biggest issue with the 2-parters. All of them would have benefitted by being 3 episodes rather than 2.

@J Teeth: Perhaps. I find that villains of his scale only really work when they work in the background and/or through proxies. Overt displays of power like he showed make his inevitable defeat even more unbelievable then it already is. It doesn't really help that the heroes. . .were really not all that smart in the episode either.

It would have been better if they at least pretended to be gray.

I am probably saying this for like 4th time now, but I would like a composed villain.

Oh, and Chrysalis was defeated within 8 minutes after showing her true self.

How pathetic.

edited 22nd Sep '12 3:18:47 PM by dRoy

I still fail to see the problems. The ponies did the best with what information they had, and when it came time for the end, Discord didn't know that they had fixed themselves, considering how thoroughly broken they had been. And who wouldn't get cocky with unbelievable cosmic power at their disposal?

How is that pathetic? Or are you not counting the previous episode and a half that included her hiding in plain sight, successfully manipulating everyone?

edited 22nd Sep '12 3:20:52 PM by PerpetualLurker

@Mio: Yeah, I definitely agree that he would likely have seemed more threatening if he wasn't so high up on the power scale. I didn't see any problems with the ponies though; the only real thing they should have done that they didn't was pretend to be under Discord's influence when they confronted him, and they didn't really even need to anyway.

Also this. Length of screentime has nothing to do with how effective she is as a villain. And even then I attribute the issue more to the fact that the writers had to cram everything into 40 minutes than anything else. There were no problems that couldn't have been solved by extending the running time a bit.

Anyway, I must go. My planet needs me It's time for dinner.

edited 22nd Sep '12 3:28:18 PM by JapaneseTeeth

Ooh, dinner. I gotta grab that as well.

See you all in a bit.

@Lurker, J Teeth: Really I found it just strange how after they have been brain washed for some reason Twilight doesn't really consider that something may have happened to them (you think turning gray and acting like jerks would be a sign) and just pressed on, not really taking stock of what's going on. It's just kind of baffling how she doesn't seem to care about her friends acting different, though really it was just so we could have about five minutes of awkward slapstick, as the Mane Six (sans Dash) fought with each other and failed.

That's why I think they needed to have taken more time developing that. Rather than jumping straight to "Fluttershy is a bitch" or "Applejack is a compulsive liar" they could have started small and built up, so it would make sense that Twilight doesn't realize that it's brainwashing until later.

If the mane six had painted themselves gray (with paint from AJ's barn or something) it would have been a bit more believable.

Really, randomly deciding to paint themselves gray would have been even more obvious.

But anyway, my point is that while there are definitely some issues with a lot of material being crammed into a short time, I still find it impressive that the writers managed to make it as nuanced as it was. Even though it happens quickly, the brainwashing scenes are definitely interesting character explorations, even though they probably should have been drawn out more.

edited 22nd Sep '12 3:32:32 PM by JapaneseTeeth

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