@Bad: And I don't. The thing is, those are two different things.

Exactly why I plan on getting one.

@Lurker See, I said it would be your favorite.

But at any rate, while them being humans for a bit would be interesting, we don't know whether humans exist in their universe, so that would be weird. And it wouldn't really fit the tone of the show, IMO, to have something as widespread as that happen, but not have it be treated as weird. Especially if it were just like a normal episode except for that change, I don't think I'd be a fan of it.

@Perpetual Lurker: Okay. Personal reasons I can get. Pity that you stopped there though. You were about to start the wrapping of everything up were all becomes clear in a process that's mostly awesome.

@JT: Actually I find many humanisations interesting and pretty.

@Orion: How is it different?

I was actually talking about Perpetual. Got ninja'd.

And I'm not going to touch the FE discussion again because I've already explained at length several times why I have no interest in continuing the story.

I'm mixed about Humanizations. On one hand, some have rather nice designs. On the other, I wish more just went full-on human rather then a bizzare mish-mash of horse and human.

I see a lot more Humanizations than Anthromorphication (I believe that is the term).

On a tangent, does anyone know about any good Horse Power fanfics?

Agreed. Ponies are fine. Humans are fine. That weird, anthropomorphic halfway point? Do not want.

edited 24th Jul '12 7:08:14 AM by JapaneseTeeth

@JT: Ah! That's what you meant. I didn't think that that was something we were gushing bout though.

@Pan: Well, there are plenty that do that. Depends on what the artist is trying to do.

EDIT: @Bad: He's a Lunaverse character. In it, he's called Snowflake Mc Largehuge. We haven't seen a lot of him yet though. Twilight wants him to be her element of honesty. He's also almost deaf there.

edited 24th Jul '12 7:05:25 AM by Sereg

@Bad, Orion: It's not a matter of liking or not liking it. It's hypocritical to complain about things in the thread that you don't like seeing, and then complain about people who do the same thing on something you like (i.e. pony haters anywhere else).

To be fair, I can't remember Lurker complaining much about people disliking things he likes, but still, if you don't like the discussion, you don't have to participate. And we certainly don't want people going around saying how much they hate everything.

edited 24th Jul '12 7:07:25 AM by wazkatango

Ah, talking about the whole Arbu thing, I have this one niggling suspicion - ideally, this would be the point where Littlepip goes "shit. Maybe I shouldn't just murder everything I don't like, " which seems to be her modus operandi for everything. But from the spoilers I read, she still drops the nuke that mass murders tons of Diamond Dog hellhounds, she still kills Autumn Leaf in cold blood, and she still breaks the Enclave cloud cover, forcing countless innocents on the wasteland and starting a civil war. It kinda just sounds like the only real things that come out of that are angst, some ponies not liking her, and her girlfriend hating her for a while.

Wasn't what I was reffering to (Bad was right about what I was reffering to) but it's also a good point.

EDIT:You're right, but in those cases there was much less she could do about it. She does lower the violence level and she didn't know what she was doing about the nuke due to modifying her memory, Autumn Leaf was a last minute carefully considered decision (which was an understandable) and it wasn't her who parted the clouds.

edited 24th Jul '12 7:18:16 AM by Sereg

@ Sereg: That was what made me want to see more fics with him after finishing getting caught up with The Elements of Insanity.

@Bad: Ah! In that case, not that I know of, but probably.

This is another thing that kinda bugs me about the story, or rather, certain defenses of things in the story.

So, when I read the story, I find things that don't really make a lot of sense - these ponies seem fine with not cleaning centuries-old corpses out of their living spaces, there are fridges that haven't been open in two hundred years that contain pure water, Littlepip has a questionably large inventory space, Raiders have that whole Stupid Evil thing going on, and when I mention those I often get the defense that it's a crossover and that these were things that were in the game.

And that's all fine and dandy, but then we come to this, where Littlepip has to do something awful because she doesn't have options. Isn't... isn't the entire point of games like Fallout that you do have options, and lots of them? I mean, it seems to me like it's supposed to be in the vein of games like Planescape: Torment (same developers, actually) and Deus Ex, which allow you to find the play style that works best for you. Yet in this crossover we never get a look at the available options.

edited 24th Jul '12 7:13:29 AM by Pannic

@Pannic: I extended my edit for an explanation. As for her choices, some do happen and they're significant, but I wasn't thinking about how a videogame would give more options. I knew nothing about the game when I started anyway. And as for Autumn Leaf, while I disagreed with Littlepip in regards to the exact circumstances, I'd normally agree with her as I believe that letting a multiple murderer live is equivalent to being a murderer yourself.

edited 24th Jul '12 7:18:29 AM by Sereg

Man, I hope I didn't stir the pot too much.

Anyway, I guess I don't understand why people don't like that paperclip. He never seemed that annoying.

edited 24th Jul '12 7:20:17 AM by edvedd

That's because most people saw him once, realized he'd be a pain, and turned him off. His annoyingness is mostly due to Memetic Mutation. That and the fact that if you didn't switch him off he'd make you take longer than you would have, even if you didn't know what you were doing.

@Pannic You completely ignore reasons behind those and important details.

At that point Hellhounds where nothing more that Deathclaws expy and Lilpip didn't know they are not always chaotic evil and they have that big settlement near her target, Goddess. And it was only option to kill her, if not stopped her Unity would take over entire Wasteland, exterminate every non unicrons, and turn every unicorn into Alicorn.

She killed Autumn, bastard who led Enclave invasion on wasteland (what caused death end destruction of many places and countless lifes, not to mention war if anyone who resisted) to stop him and she didn't have option to take him capture.

Enclave cloud cover needed to be destroyed so that fascist state could fall, same state what was in process of raping wasteland. And that civil war (enclave civil war) was caused by Enclave member themselfs (between those who wanted remain evil isolationist empire and those who wanted rejoin with equestria)

And options when dealing with main villains in games are like this: you kill them all by yourself, convince other to do this or you convince them to suicide, sneak behind and blow them up.

edited 24th Jul '12 7:26:53 AM by DeathCloud

Death Cloud is right here. Littlepip was surprised to discover that hellhounds could be reasoned with (SEE Velvet Remedy was RIGHT!).

Well, I'll see about those if/when I get to it. Obviously I'm not liking the story for all those reasons I've listed and bitched about. But if the most significant thing that comes out of the Arbu thing is "my annoying love interest hates me for a while, " then, well, fuck it.

Sorry for the late response. I had to take care of something. Anyway, my confusion on the whole double standard, as I've stated, is that they are two different things. One says X to Y while the other says Y to X. Even though they are flipped, as far as I'm concerned, it is the end result that matters.

Now if this was about someone liking A to X but not B to X, then I can see the double standard.

@Sereg But if letting a murder live is also murder, then why was killing the cannibals in Arbu evil? They had ritual murder as their right of passage. In any case, I already more or less figured out exactly how everything was going to play out with the Memory Gambit ahead of time, and I wasn't that interested in seeing even more angst. The story really didn't have much more to offer me at that point besides backstory details that I would inevitably see as OOC.

And another thing about the raiders that confuses the fuck out of me - so they're basically the Always Chaotic Evil mooks that the heroes can just gun down guilt-free and shit. Fair enough, but then they come across the Shattered Ridge raiders, and... these ones are different somehow because they've got sob stories and are somehow deserving of Littlepip's extremely situational compassion... that just confused the hell out of me.

@Orion: I get what you're saying, but that's not what a double standard is (darn you equivocation).

edited 24th Jul '12 7:32:29 AM by wazkatango

Hm. Fallout Equestria discussion. Haven't had one of those for a while.