Wisdom+Perception? Finally something that uses perception. Anyway, I got 7 points. (3, 6, 3, 6, 10, 9, 9, 4, 1, 9, 4, 2)

@JT FOE. FOE Hype. Dragon names

Take your pick

@ginger: I think that except for the ones you've already seen, the others only pop up once or twice. Most of them aren't too important. I can barely even remember most of them.

@J Teeth: Just a normal day in the pony thread.

Okay, I need to go to work. Later.

I think that the teddy bear is the police officer's, Ginger. Her name's officer...Softheart? I don't remember.

@JT Well, you could start a new topic.

@story You really need to remember to set your post to go to the RP.

Bye, Crowfall.

edited 18th Jun '12 4:27:40 PM by crowlover

Oops, wrong thread again!

I'm kinda in vacation mode, so I have no clue what I'd even want to talk about. And I always feel bad about intentionally derailing when everybody else is fine with the topic at hand.

How about Pony Thread Musical?

I always hate accidentally P Ming the wrong person.

That can sometimes get a little awkward (cough)

I'm a weird person. You know those random encounters that authors throw the mane characters which consist of them light-heartedly and easily defeating her foes?

Surprise surprise, I don't like those. (has just gotten passed one in Project Horizons)

To be fair, they're really really big molecules.

@JT: actually we've mostly been talking about fanfiction as a medium, the differences between it and published fiction and what sorts of standards it should be held too, how to help fanfic writers improve and whether they care about improving, that sort of thing. Check back a few pages if that topic interests you.

And here's a new topic: I rewatched Lesson Zero today, found it much more enjoyable this time than previously. I really don't know why either, maybe I was just in a bad mood the day I first saw it.

And once again Thor appears while I'm at work. It's almost like you're avoiding me...

That sounds like a bad idea to me, unless it's used to reveal something important about characters, setting, enemies, whatever it seems like a waste of time. Why have a battle sequence devoid of tension, unless revealing how powerful said characters are is used for an important plot development?

@Blue The way they're employed, they seem to serve to lighten the mood. With regards to this particular one, Blackjack has just spent the last two chapters (said chapters being over 50 pages long each) being emotionally ground into the dirt and almost committing suicide. So it shows that she's back to her old self.

and she manages to intimidate one of her opponents into giving her a ride

no one is saying FOE couldn't use a pass or two through an editor. When we say it's that good we mean the whole overall story, yes there are plenty of little things that could be altered THOSE are the things that are the result of it being a fanfic and yes would be fix'ed by an editor before it would be published.

eh that came out bad. Ok there are certain flaws to it that ARE acceptable to fanfics, but are not to a full published work, and yes they would need to be fixed by aneditor before publishing, but the overall story, the big emotinal journey, THAT is what is so amazing the little details can be fix'd easily.

As to pople just not liking it, eh YMMV. And Lil'pip isn't supposed to BE anything, she's just what she is, a normal pony trying to do what she thinks is right, is she perfect, buck no.

It's not a total loss as long as it focuses on characterization or otherwise revealing something about the characters and setting. It's when it exists solely to make the characters look awesome that you have a problem.

As for gauging fanfic quality, that's nearly impossible. Especially since it can be a fine line as to whether you give credit to the author for how they utilize the characters and setting, or the original work's author for how they created the characters and setting to begin with. I think fanfic can be good, but comparing it to an original work in terms of quality is almost impossible because they necessarily borrow a lot from the source material.

To use FE as an example whether or not it's a good work, I can't in good conscience say that it's a good work solely on it's own merits because it borrows so much from both the MLP and Fallout universes. Fanfic cannot exist in a vacuum, after all. I think a lot of the issue is that people are going "this is as good as a published original work" when it's really impossible to compare the two. Yes, FE might be an awesome story, but a lot of that awesomeness comes from the source material. Comparing it to something that the author came up with on their own could look like you're devaluing the effort an author puts into an original work creating everything from scratch.

edited 18th Jun '12 4:41:04 PM by JapaneseTeeth

Maybe they could just make the overall mood less horrifically grim to begin with? Sorry, I'm just really not a fan of grimdark works, especially when they're combined with something that's supposed to be light and cheery. YMMV.

Well, in random non-pony related news I finished watching Gundam SEED just now. And honestly, as bad/boring as it could get (and it could get pretty boring), I thought it ended pretty decently. I would still rank it as my least favorite Gundam series (there are plenty of Gundam series I haven't watched so that may not mean much).

To be honest, I find CEQ a bit dull. HP Mo R and FOE are way better.

Ah, Gundam Seed. I still look back on it fondly for nostalgic reasons, even though it's a pretty weak series. Though I really think it actually had a lot of potential. The plot is good, the setting is good, most of the characters are good. It's only the execution of it all that's lacking.

That's one of the reasons I liked Code Geass so much. It pretty much seemed to be Gundam Seed done well (yes, there were lots of unique things added in as well, but it still seems to have a lot of similarities).

Hi everyone. I've been gone for some time now. What are we talking about now?

Fanfiction in general.

My puppies won't stop yapping.

edited 18th Jun '12 4:45:10 PM by Bluespade

Stuff.

@Mio I'm a Universal Century fan myself. What are your thoughts on Unicorn?

edited 18th Jun '12 4:46:03 PM by Chadaman99

Fanfic writers can and do revise earlier chapters. In fact, for something minor and easily fixed like a typo, I'd say it's inexcusable not to if someone points it out to you.

@Bluespade: I'm with you on that. I don't mind if the work itself is grimdark, but I'm not a big fan of taking something that's original upbeat and pumping it full of dark elements. That's why why I just couldn't muster the effort to finish FE. It's not a bad story or badly written by any stretch, but I'm simply not interested in reading that type of story. I don't want to read a story about a war-ravaged Equestria because it's simply not the setting from the show. I don't want a story where Rarity splits up her soul or where Pinkie Pie is a drug addict or where Fluttershy suffers a fate worse than death. It might very well be incredibly well written (and I think it is quite well written), but it's telling a story that just doesn't interest me that much. That and I just didn't connect with the OC's. The only one I actually liked was Calamity, and he didn't really get much screentime.

edited 18th Jun '12 4:49:31 PM by JapaneseTeeth