@Seraphem: And when would this be? Like, next saturday or something? Cause I'm not even sure I'll be able to make it to that either.

EDIT: Looks like I get another page topper. This means another cute pic to show all of ya.

http://killryde.deviantart.com/art/Pinkie-s-Bedtime-Tales-300337055

edited 19th May '12 12:10:30 PM by marston

We need new episodes.

next one is during the week sometime, the exact time/date moves, but normally sometime in the middle.

yes

edited 19th May '12 12:10:34 PM by Seraphem

It's analogous to her season two antics.

In S1, Pinkie was energetic and a little dumb but never did anything outright inexplicable and was held back by reality a lot (falling when she came out the top of the screen in "Applebuck Season", Nobody understanding her in "Swarm of the Century, " getting tired in "Party of One" etc).

Damn near everything she does in "It's About Time" or "A Friend in Deed" though requires her to pretty much be immune to whatever reality is in place so it would work. If there was really a crazy girl hiding stuff in parks or in people's houses, you'd think it would disturb a fair number of people and might even get the police called (she does basically have to break-and-enter to stash some of that stuff). The fortune-teller gag requires Pinkie to be able to afford the accessories and decorations, be able to set up a tent at any random part in town, and somehow do this all herself and near-instantly so it can be sprung as a joke. Oh, and then a random brick just happens to fall on Twilight's head, which even Pinkie admits is impossible. And of course, she's the one who gets to go on the sneaking mission even though Twi of all people should know better, and the whole time she thinks its about a birthday present (S1 Pinkie struck me as being a lot sharper than that).

And so on and so forth.

The way this discussion is going though, Pinkie could cause the coming of the Candypocalypse and I'd be the only one to see it as a Flanderization.

Pinkie's sword is called "Wallbreaker"?

(cries)

That wasn't always true in season one since she did have the whole pepe le pew gag going with Dash, but I do see your point.

Wow, that's just egregious.

edited 19th May '12 12:18:31 PM by Mio

I think there are changes there but they are Depending on the Writer rather than a consistant evolution for the most part. Things don't work her way in Baby Cakes or MMM Mystery for example and she gets given a reality check. Meanwhile she still has loads of reality warping moments in Season One (eg. the Pepe Le Pew chases with Rainbow Dash).

I kinda think more developed character interactions would help. Almost everyone paired with her is just a Straight Man or Cloud Cuckoo Landers Minder (something Twilight alone already does perfectly). I liked Griffon The Brush Off and A Friend In Deed because it paired her with different character types that brought out more chemistry from her. As said before I'd like her to team with Rainbow Dash with more prankster stuff at some point. Pitting her against an even crazier character may also help.

edited 19th May '12 12:23:05 PM by Psi001

I do remember in one interview that Lauren said that she always meant Pinkie to be really zany and OTT, but had to tone her down in the beginning because execs thought she would be to annoying. Though when she proved more popular then expected she was able to make her more zany like she intended.

That's at least what I remember, make of it what you will.

and thus my respect for Lauren plummets another 5 miles

edited 19th May '12 12:24:02 PM by gingerninja666

Eh, Pinkie is successful character, whether you like her or not.

Great, now this thread has turned into a debate over Pinkie Pie. All I'm gonna say is that she is funny most of the time, and that she's still one of my favorite charectors.

I'm with Ginger on that one, plus its another reason that Executive Meddling isn't always bad.

Damn near everything she does in "It's About Time" or "A Friend in Deed" though requires her to pretty much be immune to whatever reality is in place so it would work.

Yeah she did a few things that are against the laws of physics, so did S1 Pinkie, it's pure Rule of Funny

If there was really a crazy girl hiding stuff in parks or in people's houses, you'd think it would disturb a fair number of people and might even get the police called (she does basically have to break-and-enter to stash some of that stuff).

IRL, yes, in Ponyville, ponies would just see it as Pinkie being Pinkie, and the only time we saw her stash something in some ponies house was in Twi's which 1. Is a public library, 2. She's in all the time anyway. So your claim that shes "breaking and entering" is flawed.

The fortune-teller gag requires Pinkie to be able to afford the accessories and decorations,

which cost how much? versus how much she makes? can't answer that? then can't say it's ludicrous she can afford it.

be able to set up a tent at any random part in town, and somehow do this all herself and near-instantly so it can be sprung as a joke.

and you know this how? how do you know she set it up in a random part of town? that she did it herself and dind't have help? that it wasn't something she'd been doing awhile and Twi just never heard of it?

Oh, and then a random brick just happens to fall on Twilight's head, which even Pinkie admits is impossible.

which had ZERO to do with Pinkie herself, it was just the writers having fun.

And of course, she's the one who gets to go on the sneaking mission even though Twi of all people should know better,

Yes the pony who was suffering from a concussion, massive sleep deprivation, nd hyper-stressed should have know better......She brought Pinkie because Pinkie happened to be there at the time and as above, she WASN'T thinking straight.

and the whole time she thinks its about a birthday present (S1 Pinkie struck me as being a lot sharper than that).

Cloudcuckoolander

edited 19th May '12 12:30:27 PM by Seraphem

Pinkie is in that 'not my favorite but likeable' status for me. I agree some of her non sequitur comments and over the topness get rather obnoxious at times, she seems like a character created intensionally for memes, however there is enough of her that is endearing and genuinely funny to like.

@Moe: Executive Meddling is often demonized, sometimes it's bad, but it does lay some potential for a show. For example it was Executive Meddling that made shows like Ren And Stimpy or Family Guy more sentimental and light hearted compared to their later shock value years. If executive meddling hadn't demanded another story for the first The Railway Series novel, Thomas And Friends may not exist.

Granted I heard some bad things about the show and Executive Meddling on it's page, eg. the Derpy scandal, and a supposed Big Mac episode that didn't make the cut.

edited 19th May '12 12:45:30 PM by Psi001

It wasn't a brick, it was a flowerpot, and if Pinkie's tent was close enough to another building, it may have gotten knocked out of an above window (like in "The Mysterious Mare Do Well").

further, so Pinkie is random? She is only EVER used so for pure Rule of Funny comedy, never as a Deus ex Machina, it's made lcear over and over that no pony understands WTF she's doing or how, they've just learned to roll with it instead of always wasting time trying to question it.

I LOVE when shes doing that, they pretty much captured the feel of the Classic Looney Tunes, and I and a lot of other people love it.

Wil everyone, no, should everyone, no, but it's no reason to always set out to find the worst possible light to view her in. There is far far more to her then JUST the jokes as we've seen in every one of her episodes, so why get upset at them using her to inject a bit of extra humor while bringing up some excellent nostalgia for some classics.

edited 19th May '12 12:39:52 PM by Seraphem

I just realized that we're close to 200k posts. Any ideas what we should do to celebrate?

Post some epic pony videos. What kind of epic pony videos? I wish I had ideas for that, but I don't.

have a Pinkie Pie Party.

Look at how fast AJ set up her stall at the gala. I don't see a problem with this.

I do agree it's hardly as if the other characters don't do highly cartoony stuff every now and then. AJ and Rainbow Dash basically revert to Road Runner vs. Coyote antics in Fall Weather Friends, while everyone is an Iron Butt Monkey. No one complains about other characters like Fluttershy outdoing Rainbow Dash either.

Yeah, I really don't think Pinkie's being pushed from what she was in season one. Heck, one of the defining moments in AFID was when Pinkie is talking to Twilight and Rainbow Dash about Cranky, and they straight up tell her what her problem is. This is then immediately followed with Pinkie still not getting it, and Twilight face-desking. In It's About Time, she had that little "is anypony going to panic with me?" bit near the beginning, and everyone else just gives her weird looks. The town does react realistically to her (so long as there isn't a musical number going on).

Actually they do, just not so much on this thread.

edited 19th May '12 12:51:21 PM by Mio

I have a problem with Fluttershy being able to out perform Rainbow Dash.

only time she did that was Return of Harmony, and that's been explained MANY times, RD was carrying dead weight dragging her down as well as back, the ballon was supporting it's own weight and Twi's and AJ's, all FS had to overcome as wind resistance and inertia, not gravity.