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#155801 gingerninja 666 Fri, 13th Apr '12 8:43:40 PM from Aboard The Damocles

@Mio I mean that in a contest of pure skill, the hero should never come out on top. They should win through either the villain's nature doing himself in. The hero's goodness managing to sway the villain, or Heroic Willpower allowing him to fight back harder against the villain

"Contests fought between two masters are decided instantly. An invisible battle is now raging between the two of them." Lulu vs Schneizel

#155802 storyyeller Fri, 13th Apr '12 8:44:12 PM from Appleloosa

What if both sides have good intentions but disagree on methods?

If there is anything that you are alone in thinking, it's "thinking that you're alone in thinking of your theories".

#155803 Sixthhokage 1 Fri, 13th Apr '12 8:44:17 PM from Kanjoh

…My God, Applejack's VA. That is a horrendous imitation of a southern accent.

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#155804 storyyeller Fri, 13th Apr '12 8:44:53 PM from Appleloosa

Yeah. Too bad they couldn't get a real southerner. She reminds me a little of Jake Marshall.

If there is anything that you are alone in thinking, it's "thinking that you're alone in thinking of your theories".

#155805 crowlover Fri, 13th Apr '12 8:45:00 PM

@Story

Ac Ænglisc is betera...

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#155806 Sixthhokage 1 Fri, 13th Apr '12 8:45:28 PM from Kanjoh

I'm a guy and I could have probably VA'd AJ better.

Oooh, Old English (Which is different from Early Modern English, people)

edited 13th Apr '12 8:46:23 PM by Sixthhokage1

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#155807 Chadaman 99 Fri, 13th Apr '12 8:45:31 PM

The word 'night' is a relative term to a bunch of people on the internet in different timezones ya know.

edited 13th Apr '12 8:46:36 PM by Chadaman99

#155808 Mio Fri, 13th Apr '12 8:46:07 PM

@Ginger: Ok that makes sense. Though I'm not exactly sure if I agree with that.

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#155809 gingerninja 666 Fri, 13th Apr '12 8:46:35 PM from Aboard The Damocles

@story I don't like stories like that because I'm left with no one to root for, and I end up not caring about anyone.

One side has to be more wrong than the other. That is in no way saying that the villain can't have loads of good points or that the hro can't learn from the villain

"Contests fought between two masters are decided instantly. An invisible battle is now raging between the two of them." Lulu vs Schneizel

#155810 storyyeller Fri, 13th Apr '12 8:46:47 PM from Appleloosa

By the way, what is up with Jake Marshall? Why does he constantly shave while taking to people? How does his stubble grow so fast?

If there is anything that you are alone in thinking, it's "thinking that you're alone in thinking of your theories".

#155811 crowlover Fri, 13th Apr '12 8:46:55 PM

Have you ever seen Push?

Ah, push it

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#155812 Bluespade Fri, 13th Apr '12 8:47:01 PM from Texas

@Ginger: You miiiiiiiiight like Baccano!

#155813 gingerninja 666 Fri, 13th Apr '12 8:47:40 PM from Aboard The Damocles

@Blue grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, fucking Vino!

He SINGLEHANDEDLY ruined that series for me

edited 13th Apr '12 8:48:07 PM by gingerninja666

"Contests fought between two masters are decided instantly. An invisible battle is now raging between the two of them." Lulu vs Schneizel

#155814 storyyeller Fri, 13th Apr '12 8:47:43 PM from Appleloosa

Didn't we go through the Old English discussion before?

If there is anything that you are alone in thinking, it's "thinking that you're alone in thinking of your theories".

#155815 L Mage Fri, 13th Apr '12 8:47:47 PM from The Black Tower

@Crow

Not THAT Push...:P

Push was an amazing underrated action movie, I thought it was amazing.

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#155816 storyyeller Fri, 13th Apr '12 8:48:26 PM from Appleloosa

Anyway, Andorran isn't actually a language.

If there is anything that you are alone in thinking, it's "thinking that you're alone in thinking of your theories".

#155817 Orion Aurora Fri, 13th Apr '12 8:49:07 PM from Andromeda Galaxy

@Ginger: There are two things I disagree with. The first is that I think the hero's natural abilities should be implemented. Second, while I do agree with how you think a villain should lose, I also like to see the hero having some contingency plans at his/her reserve.

Yeah, Andromeda is heading for you. You got over 9000 years until it collides.

#155818 Crowfall Fri, 13th Apr '12 8:50:25 PM

@Ginger: You say you don't like the hero to win by being technically better than the villain, but what about cases where the villain isn't particularly strong but is an excellent chessmaster?

#155819 crowlover Fri, 13th Apr '12 8:51:11 PM

@story

Hwæt mænest þu?

edited 13th Apr '12 8:51:50 PM by crowlover

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#155820 Japanese Teeth Fri, 13th Apr '12 8:51:35 PM from Meinong's jungle

I typically like the hero to overcome the villain in the end through at least some degree of skill (the victory rings a bit hollow if the villain does himself in every time), but different strokes and all that. I definitely agree that the villain has to be ahead of the heroes for the majority of the plot, though. The heroes can have a few victories in there, but the villain has to have more or else there's no tension.

edited 13th Apr '12 8:52:15 PM by JapaneseTeeth

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#155821 gingerninja 666 Fri, 13th Apr '12 8:54:39 PM from Aboard The Damocles

@Crow then the villain should have a dragon who's better/equal to the hero physically. Or just have a plan in play that negates the hero's physical advantage

The one thing I disliked about The Running Man was the complete non-climax to it

@Orion It's more that if natural aptitude is to be utilized then there should be SOME character who''s better than the hero through training. I DESPISE Hard Work Hardly Works

edited 13th Apr '12 8:54:54 PM by gingerninja666

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#155822 Chadaman 99 Fri, 13th Apr '12 8:58:22 PM

Might as well make my own.

Hero should be the embodiment of character growth. Starts off as a blank slate, but is molded by the events and relationships that surrounds him until the end. Sacrifice is optional.
Villain should embody self absorbed desire. He is the you you fear to be. Completely absorbed in his own ego. Unsympathetic and yet completely understandable. Human in all the worst ways.

edited 13th Apr '12 8:59:35 PM by Chadaman99

#155823 Bluespade Fri, 13th Apr '12 9:00:20 PM from Texas

I'll say it again, I don't have an ideal story/villain/hero/whatever, because I love variety. I love seeing things done differently, I love uniqueness. There ARE certain tropes and character archetypes I enjoy more often statistically, but I'm always on the look out for new things.

#155824 Ace Of Scarabs Fri, 13th Apr '12 9:01:06 PM from Singapore

I am diappoint, guys. We could have a whole mini-Godfather thing going on with Cadence since she's pony!Italian/Latino, only we mix things up and give her a bit of a good Yakuza-princess vibe.

My main demand is that there must be a reasonable balance between hero and villain at some point, or some way to even the odds because where brute-force fails, a cunning trick can succeed.

edited 13th Apr '12 9:02:11 PM by AceOfScarabs

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#155825 Chadaman 99 Fri, 13th Apr '12 9:01:48 PM

You implying Celestia a don?

True, but if you had it your way. What would you do?

edited 13th Apr '12 9:02:29 PM by Chadaman99