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#145301 storyyeller Tue, 3rd Apr '12 5:52:15 PM from Appleloosa

I think Sturgeon's Law applies much more heavily if sex is involved.

If there is anything that you are alone in thinking, it's "thinking that you're alone in thinking of your theories".

#145302 Drenius Tue, 3rd Apr '12 5:52:35 PM from Northern Virginia

Ah, a little searching helped me recall the name of that ghost story I mentioned. The Silent Shore. It's one of the more evocative of the darker fanfics I've read without being needlessly violent.

Gully Foyle is my name, and Terra is my nation. Deep space is my dwelling place, and death's my destination.

#145303 The Freeman Tue, 3rd Apr '12 5:52:43 PM from Hialeah,FL.

Weird, one of my dogs is named Luna too, except she's short and pretty annoying...

I'm tired. Goodnight.

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#145304 Japanese Teeth Tue, 3rd Apr '12 5:52:51 PM from Meinong's jungle

@Ginger: The question is a good what. A purely prurient story could be good porn, I guess, but I don't think it could be a good story.

edited 3rd Apr '12 5:53:01 PM by JapaneseTeeth

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#145305 Crowfall Tue, 3rd Apr '12 5:53:13 PM

How is recommending a story without a good villain at all similar to not liking clopfics?

You know there are other metrics for what makes a story good.

#145306 gingerninja 666 Tue, 3rd Apr '12 5:53:45 PM from Aboard The Damocles

I dunno... what makes a good story in the end?

edited 3rd Apr '12 5:54:00 PM by gingerninja666

"Contests fought between two masters are decided instantly. An invisible battle is now raging between the two of them." Lulu vs Schneizel

#145307 storyyeller Tue, 3rd Apr '12 5:54:08 PM from Appleloosa

A purely prurient story could be good porn, I guess, but I don't think it could be a good story.

Seems like a tautology to me. If it's purely prurient, that means they didn't focus on plot.

If there is anything that you are alone in thinking, it's "thinking that you're alone in thinking of your theories".

#145308 crowlover Tue, 3rd Apr '12 5:54:10 PM

@Crowfall True, but that's the only quality that ginger likes that he can objectively define at this moment

edited 3rd Apr '12 5:54:45 PM by crowlover

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#145309 ilsemmr Tue, 3rd Apr '12 5:54:16 PM from Austin

This thread has taken a weird turn... But I finally finished reading the Vinyl Scratch Tapes. It was pretty good. And I found a strange satisfaction with Luna giving Scratch "The Reason You Suck" Speech.

edited 3rd Apr '12 5:54:41 PM by ilsemmr

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#145310 stevebat Tue, 3rd Apr '12 5:54:56 PM

A combination of Pacing, World Building (Optional but it helps), and well rounded characters.

@ils I liked the vinyl scratch tapes but Trixie's and Blueblood's characters go all over the place.

edited 3rd Apr '12 5:55:33 PM by stevebat

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#145311 Japanese Teeth Tue, 3rd Apr '12 5:55:14 PM from Meinong's jungle

@Story: That's exactly what I'm saying; if you prioritize sex over all other elements of the story, it isn't going to be good. Basically, a story written solely to arouse the reader with no other purpose in mind. As opposed to a story that does have characterization and plot, but also happens to include sex.

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#145312 storyyeller Tue, 3rd Apr '12 5:55:54 PM from Appleloosa

I guess the opposite is something like Katawa Shoujo where the sex just happens to be part of the plot.

If there is anything that you are alone in thinking, it's "thinking that you're alone in thinking of your theories".

#145313 gingerninja 666 Tue, 3rd Apr '12 5:56:27 PM from Aboard The Damocles

Well, for me, context is 60% of the hotness, so I LIKE there to be a good buildup

Can't a story strive to do both?

edited 3rd Apr '12 5:57:06 PM by gingerninja666

"Contests fought between two masters are decided instantly. An invisible battle is now raging between the two of them." Lulu vs Schneizel

#145314 Japanese Teeth Tue, 3rd Apr '12 5:56:54 PM from Meinong's jungle

Never read it, but I think that's basically it. The difference between "sex for the sake of sex" and "sex because it naturally arises from or enhances the plot in some way".

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#145315 gingerninja 666 Tue, 3rd Apr '12 5:57:51 PM from Aboard The Damocles

Why do I fucking bother...

"Contests fought between two masters are decided instantly. An invisible battle is now raging between the two of them." Lulu vs Schneizel

#145316 Crowfall Tue, 3rd Apr '12 5:59:07 PM

@Ilse: I found it really hard to sympathize with Luna's speech there, because it was almost entirely based on her treatment of Blueblood, which I think was completely justified. I mean, the guy tried to ruin Octavia's career out of spite by canceling her concert even though it was highly successful and then locking her bandmate in a bathroom. The fact that he's on the verge of becoming better doesn't really excuse his past actions and Vinyl was totally right to give him crap about it.

She did go too far with Celestia though, I'll give Luna that.

#145317 Japanese Teeth Tue, 3rd Apr '12 5:59:30 PM from Meinong's jungle

@Ginger: Like I said, it depends on how you define a "clop fic". If you define it as a story that just happens to include sex rather than being based around it, I think they can be good.

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#145318 Drenius Tue, 3rd Apr '12 6:00:56 PM from Northern Virginia

Awww... Poor Screwloose.

edited 3rd Apr '12 6:01:29 PM by Drenius

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#145319 gingerninja 666 Tue, 3rd Apr '12 6:01:00 PM from Aboard The Damocles

I still think you can hit a pretty good balance between characterization and intentional audience arousal...

all a story is is manipulation in the end

edited 3rd Apr '12 6:01:42 PM by gingerninja666

"Contests fought between two masters are decided instantly. An invisible battle is now raging between the two of them." Lulu vs Schneizel

#145320 Crowfall Tue, 3rd Apr '12 6:01:21 PM

@Ginger: A story can strive for both, but most don't bother. And honestly, I don't think that's a problem. Sometimes someone just wants some porn. It can be good at what it is without being a good story. And sometimes there are those that actually are objectively good. They're just heavily in the minority.

edited 3rd Apr '12 6:01:56 PM by Crowfall

#145321 ilsemmr Tue, 3rd Apr '12 6:02:00 PM from Austin

Yeah, I think their relationships are really complicated right now. I'm enjoying the Character Development both Trixie and Blueblood are getting though. And yeah, I think Luna was only partially justified. She didn't get the complete story, but if some random girl you didn't know just burst in and started insulting my nephew, especially if he was clearly depressed, I would be pretty mad, even if I didn't know the full story

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#145322 gingerninja 666 Tue, 3rd Apr '12 6:02:27 PM from Aboard The Damocles

@Crow Well as I said, most of the appeal for me comes from the contxt and the buildup to it.

clopfics an be genuinely heartwarming I think

edited 3rd Apr '12 6:02:55 PM by gingerninja666

"Contests fought between two masters are decided instantly. An invisible battle is now raging between the two of them." Lulu vs Schneizel

#145323 Japanese Teeth Tue, 3rd Apr '12 6:03:06 PM from Meinong's jungle

@Ginger: I agree, I just don't think that unless you're just making straight-up porn, arousing the reader shouldn't take precedence over other elements of the fic. They aren't mutually exclusive by any means, but I honestly can't call a story good unless it has some form of characterization or plot or whatever, and most clopfics tend to throw those out the window.

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#145324 Turtlebutter Tue, 3rd Apr '12 6:03:32 PM from Baltimare

Sooo.. I can assume Clopfic is like... the cheezy harlequin romance novels I occasionally read?

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#145325 gingerninja 666 Tue, 3rd Apr '12 6:03:56 PM from Aboard The Damocles

and those are the ones I tend to discard

edited 3rd Apr '12 6:04:05 PM by gingerninja666

"Contests fought between two masters are decided instantly. An invisible battle is now raging between the two of them." Lulu vs Schneizel