Even Gilda Loves Rainbow Dash.

EDIT: Zero-context page topper. Woo.

edited 4th Aug '11 6:35:51 PM by RedSavant

The knockoff logo made my laugh

I don't think I've seen an antagonist quite like Gilda before tbh

I also think that RD is gonna be absolutely necessary for her redemption.

edited 4th Aug '11 6:39:16 PM by gingerninja666

The thing is, humans aren't just petty and selfish, and that's all we've seen out of Gilda. To say that makes her more human than the basically decent main cast with their own flaws, that just strikes me as a faux-philosophical type of cynicism.

And what reasons are you even talking about? I don't think it was ever once explained WHY Gilda is that way.

edited 4th Aug '11 6:45:48 PM by TurnwaysFlip

No we aren't, but I also think that we haven't seen an antagonist who's as humanely nasty as Gilda is either. The fact that her antagonism feels more human, also leads me to hope that she's more human in other ways too. She just seems to have the best buildup to becoming a more human character than the others. If that makes sense

In my case, it's her POTENTIAL, more than anything she's actually done.

edited 4th Aug '11 6:49:35 PM by gingerninja666

You keep saying that, it's starting to lose all meaning.

Oh, now it's potential, is it. And here I thought this talk about "reasons" had some kind of basis.

edited 4th Aug '11 6:51:52 PM by TurnwaysFlip

Why are you so angry at me? We have different opinions, is that so bad?

Fine, explaining it in a different way: The way in which Gilda is nasty feels (to me) closer to how a person in our world, is nasty. The fact that she feels so realistic in one sense, leads me to believe that she has the most potential to feel more real (more than the other antagonists) in other areas aswell.

That and she's the only antagonist who has a (sort of) Morality Pet

edited 4th Aug '11 6:56:52 PM by gingerninja666

^^For all her jerkass tendencies, she really does seem to care about Dash. That's three-dimensionality, and that's explorable.

I don't get the same sense from her episode. I think it's probably true, just because of the show, and if/when she returns it'll be explored, but I don't think her actions really communicate that, and as such it doesn't earn her any leeway where I'm concerned just yet.

Honest question here: "more human", compared to what?

The way I see it: Gilda is in the best position to become the most 3 dimensional character in the show. Very Jerkish, but with her own set of morals (maybe even a heart of gold deep down), Good friends with Rainbow Dash, but intially hostile of others. This is all potential that she has, that I don't see ANY other character posessing, and to see it all get thrown away would feel very depressing (to me at least)

I meant she feels both horribly flawed, yet has the potential for goodness via her link with RD. It just feels more like something that would happen in real life, compared to a lot of the rest of the show.

edited 4th Aug '11 7:06:22 PM by gingerninja666

With feathers of steel to go with it?

Seriously, though, the problem I have with your comparing Gilda with all other antagonists is that there are others out there with equally "human" reasons. Nightmare Moon lashed out for being undervalued. Trixie is a travelling showpony whose job basically requires her to wow the audience, even if she did go about it the wrong way.

Or are you saying Gilda's is more relatable, because normal people's problems don't involve magic and godlike powers?

edited 4th Aug '11 7:09:53 PM by KylerThatch

I HATE IT WHEN YOU GUYS FIGHT ;_;

Me too. I just can't help it

But what has she ever done that would make anyone think she has certain morals or a buried heart of gold? See, the thing I'm arguing against is very precisely Draco in Leather Pants. I don't want to see an alternate character interpretation that's based on what someone would like the character to be, and then ascribes to her the qualities she needs to already be that. I want to see how the character works with what she already has, and how she could develop. How she could become better, not how she could be Suetiful All Along.

Sorry if some of that's unnecessarily extreme, but I don't know how else to put it.

edited 4th Aug '11 7:09:02 PM by TurnwaysFlip

That definitly makes sense. About the only redeeming quality she had, if you could even call it a redeeming quality, was her genuine like of RD. But, even then, that was most-likely out of a respect for Dash's coolness.

Of course, this is just me throwing my noise out there. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go back to crying at all the senseless conflict in the world.

^^I don't think anyone's arguing that she's not a terrible person right now. In fact, Ginger's been doing nothing but arguing about the potential she has to become better, not that she's got a bag full of Freudian Excuses. The Freudian Excuse is my contribution.

^You're a rare, sensitive soul, 42. And yes, it's not much to go on, and I for one would dislike a Karma Houdini redemption as much as I'm sure Turnways would. But she's a jerk, not a mass murderer; even if it's a slow and painful process, she can get better.

edited 4th Aug '11 7:13:15 PM by RedSavant

Remind me next time to just make a new post instead of editing in my proper response.

Geez guy, it's my little freaking pony. No need to get in such a heated debate

No. We don't wanna.

edited 4th Aug '11 7:14:55 PM by RichReeders

Well, thinking about it, my love of Gilda comes form both my anticipation, and my idealism. You're right, from what we've seen, she has no redeeming features. It's just that, MORE than anyone else, there could be something else to her. The groundwork's been laid for an extremely interesting and morally grey character. I just don't want to see it squandered. If you can understand where I'm coming from.

My idealism also makes me want to see EVERY character become good in the end. It's just the way I am

edited 4th Aug '11 7:15:55 PM by gingerninja666

^I'm not willing to go as far as Ginger in saying Gilda's the most 'human' in the show, but her problem is about on the same level as Trixie's (in terms of ground-in stubbornness and resistance to change; they're both suffering from too much ego, at the core), while Nightmare Moon, for instance, is the product of a corruptive outside force feeding on Luna's feelings of underappreciatedness and jealousy. The other two are, for want of a better word, unaugmented.

Even Rocky? Dude's pure evil.

ESPECIALLY ROCKY!!

Ah. I see. Earthling humor.

edited 4th Aug '11 7:19:51 PM by RichReeders