I won't repeat myself but eventually, I'd like more detailed response to my final word on the Complete Monster topic and how it might fit in next season.

I don't mean to sound aggressive here, but I'm pretty sure the consensus is that no one else who has posted believes that a Complete Monster will show up, and nothing you've said changes the fact that it just doesn't seem appropriate for this setting. Does that make it impossible? No. It could happen, and you could be right. However, given the current information we have, it seems highly unlikely, and would almost certainly break the base, which I doubt anyone involved wants to do. The show had villains before, and they weren't complete monsters, so I don't really think that fact that season 2 will have villains is really a tonal shift, nor does it warrant the introduction of CMs.

There's nothing really else to say, so can we please just drop it?

EDIT: And, of course, by CMs, I mean complete monsters, not Cutie Marks. Removing those would make even less sense.

edited 23rd Jul '11 2:44:24 PM by Cyberbanjo

The closest we've come is Nightmare Moon, and she literally wasn't herself.

And I repeat that show don't need Complite Monster. We don't really need bad guy for who we could feel only hate. We need some cool, enjoyable, scary or dark villain, I know CM trope is subjective but clear Complite Monster is some thing what show don't need or even can have.

How to show in that kind cartoon that villain is that horrible, Habsro wouldn't allow it. They could try go around censors and have some subtle sujestion. Maybe if they make Krastos, earth pony with glue cutie mark, with glued other ponies mane and hair to his body, also with glued unicorn hord and artifical wings with glued pegasus feathers and eating marshmellows.

Yeah Rd needs more character development to join the bolt's. But she is very close

edited 23rd Jul '11 2:52:01 PM by FallenLegend

NM wasn't CM, she wasn't even close. Like I said before even Grogar, Tirac where not CM.

I would prefer some sympatetic vilains, still evil antagonists but with some sensible motivation and some goofy quirks (like that what Mane Cast have).

edited 23rd Jul '11 2:50:22 PM by DeathCloud

I don't think a Complete Monster would be impossible to have on MLP, but I do think it would be incredibley BORING if there was. Villains who are sympathetic are far more intersting than ones who are irredeemably evil

edited 23rd Jul '11 2:51:36 PM by gingerninja666

In response to the Rainbow Dash and Wonderbolts thing: one thing that seems to be overlooked is she's still a kid. While her age isn't confirmed in any way, it's clear she isn't an adult yet based on the behavior of herself, her friends and other clearly adult characters in the show. There could be an age requirement to joining the Wonderbolts.

I dobt think RD is a kid. Just compare her with Scootalo or Apple Bloom

She is around the age of Fluttershy.They went to school together.

edited 23rd Jul '11 2:57:32 PM by FallenLegend

I think that is main reason why it not even discused in show why she not joined yet.

True, clear Complite Monster is that character who audience whant only beated or death. And that that can be boring. Not clear CM, who still can be enjoyed by part of viewers can be interesting.

RD and other Mane Cast are teens/young adulst so from centrain points of view still kids.

edited 23rd Jul '11 2:58:35 PM by DeathCloud

I'd put Dash and the rest of the main cast at young adult (as in 20 or so); Twilight's basically a grad student and Pinkie, Rarity and Dash hold down steady jobs, while Applejack and Fluttershy are self-employed.

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I would call Rarity self-employed as well. She does seem to run that dress shop on her own.

Presumably somebody feels Fluttershy taking care of animals is valuable.

Rarity is self-employed - technically I think Applejack is considered "employed" by her grandmother, at least until the old nag dies and either AJ or Big Mac inherits the farm.

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edited 23rd Jul '11 3:23:47 PM by TurnwaysFlip

Maybe she's the town vet?

Either that or Equestria doesn't have property taxes. Or bill-paying.

Big Mac would probably be the beneficiary (or whatever the proper term is) because he's the oldest of the Sweet Apple siblings.

edited 23rd Jul '11 3:24:57 PM by theLibrarian

@Death Cloud. Complete Monster is not a subjective trope, if a character is a complete monster they are totally evil and irredeemable.

and C Ms are not boring characters, almost every Disney villain is a CM and their interesting. and the tome of the pilot episode was different from the rest of the series because it had a villain, so villains automatically change the tone.

and someone did make a plushie of Lotzo(the Complete Monster from Toy Story 3), it's just no one bought it.

edited 23rd Jul '11 3:30:17 PM by Ben10fan

But what's "irredeemable" is subjective.

Even if you convinced us . You would need to convince Faust/Thiessen/Hasbro The decition is not up to us.

edited 23rd Jul '11 3:30:46 PM by FallenLegend

Villains are interesting either because they're sympathetic, or because they're awesome. MLP has the first one goin for it pretty well. Why change a winning formula, especially since the show is idealistic and about how people can change.

edited 23rd Jul '11 3:31:31 PM by gingerninja666

"Please don't list this on a work's page as a trope. Examples can go on the work's YMMV tab. " Not objective.

And Disney Villains are not CM , at least for me.

edited 23rd Jul '11 3:31:43 PM by DeathCloud

But, many of the Disney villains were somehow flawed in their evil. Frollo, the worst by a wide margin, believed he was doing the right thing, and was tortured by his own nature. Scar became lethargic after his victory, because it was ultimately empty. And so on. A complete monster can be interesting. but it requires a great deal of intelligence on the part of the audience, the ability to recognize those flaws that still make them human. Or failing that, an intellectual appreciation for the way in which they show their monstrosity, as one might have to the CM page image character. And while we've proven it's by no means a good idea to doubt an audience's intelligence, particularly given the periphery, keep in mind this show is made first and foremost for children, who would not take a moment to think about why the evil thing is evil, and so would require another heavy change on top of the heavy mood change that would come with the introduction of irredeemable evil what part of this concept escapes you?

I don't mean to be short with you, but we've all put this forward several times.

@Turnways. irredeemable means that this type of character never feels any remorse and will always be pure evil. and Faust herself says she doesn't want Defeat Equels Frienship every time.

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@ kegisak. I still disagree. and sometimes, there is no real reason for a CM to be evil, they just enjoy doing horrible things. a good example of this would be Friza from Dragon Ball Z. and about what you said about Frolo, he may have thought he was doing the right thing at first but in the end, he did what he did just for his own personal gain and amusement.

edited 23rd Jul '11 3:49:12 PM by Ben10fan

No frieza had an empire and a posissionof power he tried to keep