I love this show and every character in it(except Gilda, Trixie and Blueblood of course) but some people claim the Cutie Mark Crusaders are a Spotlight Stealing Squad. actually they are not, "Call of the Cutie" was about Apple Bloom specifically, the Spotlight was shared with Fluttershy in "Stare Master" and they where just a framing device in "the Cutie Mark Chronicles". and about the Aesop Amnesia, here's how I see it, Scootaloo idolizes Rainbow Dash and Rainbow doesn't really seem to get the whole "finding out who you are" thing in her own cutie mark story. so Scootaloo isn't going to get it either and as the de facto leader of the Crusaders, Apple Bloom and Sweetie Belle probably aren't going to get that until Scoots does.

Blasphemer! how could you hate Gilda and Trixie? XD

Because strict-canon Trixie and Gilda are jerks without a redeeming moment?

(Psst. I think that was a joke.)

they're dicks. I'm only willing to give the Alternate Character Interpritaion people a pass wih Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon. they're schoolyard bullies and thus, have insecurities that they cover up by being jerks. Gilda and Trixie have no such nexuses.

This. Though gingerninja was being sarcastic

edited 21st Jul '11 5:59:27 PM by JackOfAllTrades

I like Gilda.

Why does reading sarcasm have to be so hard?

^^^ "Nexuses"?

@Ben10fan: I've seen quite a few arguments that Trixie and Gilda were never given the smackdown necessary to grow out of being playground bullies themselves, and it makes a lot of sense.

still, it is now their own faults that they're jerks at this point. Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon have and excuse because they're just fillies.

This. It' a topic that's been brought up MANY a time (sometimes by me, come to think of it, you guys must be getting pretty bored) and I still stand by the idea that Gilda and Trixie aren't COMPLETE assholes, just people who've never been taken down a ped (specially Gilda)

and I was being sarcastic. The XD is what I add when i'm intending something to be light-hearted and un-serious

edited 21st Jul '11 6:09:14 PM by gingerninja666

Eh, I dunno... it still is pretty much their fault if they just never grew the fuck up, since they shouldn't need to be "taken down a peg".

Actually, I should mention that I think Trixie was at least passable. She was more of an ignorable annoyance than anything else. (Gilda not so much)

edited 21st Jul '11 6:12:21 PM by JackOfAllTrades

Rainbow Dash wouldn't have grown out of being an arrogant asshole like Gilda if it wasn't for her friends. It's all about the company you keep. Gilda clearly cared about RD

@Fallen Legend: Which C.S. Lewis quote are you talking about?

Anyway, I don't think that it's that Gilda and Trixie have never been "taken down a peg" so much as they've never been in a position where their jerkish-ness causes trouble for them. For whatever reason, they've somehow either never been in a position where people disliked them as a result of their bitchiness, or they simply never noticed.

edited 21st Jul '11 6:16:30 PM by JapaneseTeeth

Okay?

I guess the thing is I don't understand in what capacity any of that clears Gilda. The fact is, she's apparently never had any real redeeming qualities ("caring about Dash" doesn't count, especially given that she abandoned her in the end anyway). If it's because she chose to hang with the wrong crowd, well, that's still her discretion at work there.

edited 21st Jul '11 6:18:28 PM by TurnwaysFlip

I just realised why I'm so adamant about finding the good in everyone on this show. It's because outside of beings who are pure evil, the tone of the show just DRIPS with Defeat Means Friendship, and I find it cooler to look at every character as if they were a potential new cast member. So it's better to picture them as inherantly good people who have been misguided in some way, and need friendship to show them true hapiness

I really can't bring myself to really "like" Gilda. She was intended to be an unlikable character, with virtually no redeeming qualities. A subversion of the annoying "Bad-guy-learns-their-lesson-and-gets-along-with-the-good-guys" trope (whatever the name for that is). I have no problem with people making Alternate Character Interpretations of her (in fact, they can be very interesting at times), but I draw the line at trying to say that it's canon

Also, I loathe her Totally Radical speech

edited 21st Jul '11 6:24:27 PM by JackOfAllTrades

@ Japanese teeth This one :) http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/07/nightly-roundup-43.html?m=1

"Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." -C.S. Lewis

edited 21st Jul '11 6:22:47 PM by FallenLegend

Oh yeah, that's a great quote. Sums up my attitude to the show very well.

@Turnways Flip: Have you seen my WMG that gryphons are pretty rare in Equestria, and thus Gilda had basically no friends until she met Dash (due to Zecora syndrome)? It goes a long way toward explaining her possessiveness, though not, I must admit, her willingness to leave Dash. Of course, the pride to never back down even when you know you're in the wrong, and the sense of betrayal when one's only friend sides with The Masses who have historically been dismissive of you, even when the individuals themselves have done nothing to you and you have in fact been cruel to them... those are powerful forces.

That really is a great quote.

edited 21st Jul '11 6:30:07 PM by RedSavant

Sigh, I hope Gilda enjoys the leather pants I keep giving her. Maybe it's because I like villains more than heroes, maybe it's because I don't want to see a relationship end badly, but there's just something about her, something... kind. I say Gilda's at least the character with the greatest shot at redemption, since I'm sure she was ABOUT to consider being sorry for what happened in episode 5, if it wasn't for the fact that she was confronted in front of so many people and she got embaressed

edited 21st Jul '11 6:30:16 PM by gingerninja666

^I'd be remiss not to join you in being a least a little contrite about handing out leather pants.

I still agree with Tunways, Gilda and Trixie are young adults and thus it's their own fault they're jerks. DT and Silver Spoon get a pass because they are children.

That's 1. a WMG and therefore almost definitionally not founded in canon, and 2. not perfectly logical because it assumes that being a rare type of creature would make her an outcast. Assuming any of the qualities of a griffin are seen as positive, that uniqueness should have made her popular instead of the opposite.

edited 21st Jul '11 6:33:07 PM by TurnwaysFlip