Ladders and elevators are involved.

Maybe.

edited 2nd Jan '12 1:40:15 PM by TheFreeman

Stepladders.

I think that's Evil Cannot Comprehend Good, Fran.

Complete monster is just someone who's so bad they're far beyond redemption. So the issue is that each person will have different standards for that. It seems to be a YMMV trope, and those are always a bit tricky to use.

Believe me, I don't want to turn this into a CM debate . I just happened to read many CM debate threads and watched the criteria be improved. And Fran, it is horribly abused all the time. As soon as any antagonist does anything jerkish, people cry CM. EVERYWHERE, no matter the source material.

@Turnabout Storm: Don't have the slightest clue who the killer might be. I kinda maybe thought Gilda after the first part, but when she was absent from part 2, I thought, nah, by this point, it would be too late to suddenly introduce her. However, the OC ponies who are gonna show up worry the crap outta me. I don't want an OC pony to be the killer, it should be one of the characters we all know and love...

edited 2nd Jan '12 1:52:18 PM by FellDeedsAwake

CM? Cutie Mark? Sure let's discuss that.

HAI GUYZ DISCORD CM OR NOT GOGOGOGOGO

Haha, Ok ^^. Although you could make a clever segway between the two C Ms, since Cutie Marks are also often misunderstood!

edited 2nd Jan '12 1:53:48 PM by FellDeedsAwake

Well a Discord Cutie Mark would probably lead to a pony that's somewhat like Pinkie Pie but more destructive.

Alternatively they could strive to return proper nature to Equestria like in the Everfree Forest. And have ultimately benevolent goals.

What's that word? It starts with A. Means good.

ALTRUISTIC! They'd have altruistic goals.

edited 2nd Jan '12 1:57:02 PM by Badwolfwho

No, see what I meant was...

CM? Cutie Mark? Sure let's discuss that.

Fluttershy is the one with the cute butt
erfly cutie mark.

Or a discord cutie mark would make you unable to perform music.

Sics the G-Man on Freeman

Cutie Marks. Clearly define one of a pony's unique traits, but does the mark make the pony, or does the pony choose her Mark?

How did I miss that one. Or it means you're really good at running anti-Synchro Yu-Gi-Oh! decks.

What is a pony? But a miserable pile of friendship!

edited 2nd Jan '12 1:58:41 PM by Badwolfwho

I think the word is Altruistic, Bad.

I'm more concerned with whether a mark is representative of a talent, or a goal. The show seems to offer both options, between the CMC and Cheerilee.

edited 2nd Jan '12 1:58:52 PM by kegisak

Yes it is. Thanks. I wanted to say Altruistic Goals, since I didn't think benevolent fit quite as well.

I think it can vary. Cutie Marks can be very vague.

edited 2nd Jan '12 2:00:02 PM by Badwolfwho

The possibilities are, like, endless!

I suppose the pony in question would interpret her Mark the way she wanted to.

I suspect that this could be used as a sort of Rorschach Blot test to interpret the pony's character.

It really seems like cutie marks are as vague as what you yourself want to do; it's not like you have to pick from a list of interpretations of your cutie mark once you get it. Your cutie mark and what it means to you are as unique as you are.

...Your faithful student...

Applejack◊

War of the Endless Night (That is some Celestia Propaganda right there. Notice how Nightmare Moon's side all have carnivorous teeth. Also note that Celestia's mane is rainbow coloured however at that point in time it was still pink. And finally there is clearly day in this picture however until Nightmare Moon was defeated there was only night.)

Trixie doing something.◊

edited 2nd Jan '12 2:07:25 PM by Badwolfwho

I am almost never talking literally.

I think entirely in metaphors.

I don't mean like "Friendship? I don't know what's that". I mean the villain is deprived of anything good.

Good intentions. Good deeds. Redeeming qualities. Nothing of this applies.

It is the point where you no longer see the villain as a person. A person becomes a machine.

edited 2nd Jan '12 2:08:09 PM by thefran

Fran makes a good point. Now, can we please step away from this particular discussion and back to cutie marks?

@Red Savant: do you Twilight's got a thick psych treatise on Cutie Marks and the interpretation thereof in her library somewhere?

What kinda being is a pony with a bottle of glue as a cutie mark? Or a cleaver? Or maybe a condom?

I'd be surprised if she didn't.

Krastos' underling. Butcher. Ladies?

edited 2nd Jan '12 2:14:23 PM by Badwolfwho