I just think it makes more sense for Luna to be the stronger. Celestia had to spend most of her time governing and receiving praise from her subjects, but Luna got none of that and so would have more time to train her magic. Plus she managed to prevent Celestia from raising the sun. We don't know if the sun can be risen or not while the moon is up in Equestria but since we're not told I'm going to assume it's like Earth and both can be up at the same time. I guess I also like the idea that the sister that everybody thought of as the lesser one was actually more powerful.

I like your theory I just disagree with it.

edited 23rd Dec '11 5:15:46 PM by Badwolfwho

Yes, just yes.

I think Luna and Celestia are even in power. But the Eo H pushed Celestia over the top and made her stronger enough to banish Luna.

edited 23rd Dec '11 5:17:27 PM by LMage

By experience/maturenes Celestia is more likely to more powerful. Lunas isn't full grown up after all.

edited 23rd Dec '11 5:17:53 PM by FallenLegend

That might just be a side effect of being blasted with the Eo H. Now? I would say her power is stunted and recovering.

However, what we have seen of Luna's magic is extremely powerful. The problem is we've never seen Celestia fight anything.

As for Nightmare Moon's powers, I am of the opinion that she was attempting to exert as little effort as possible to deter or kill them. Why smack them around yourself when you can just shift a few loose rocks, or upset a beast or serpent who can do your job for you? Unlike Discord (and Luna), subtlety was her aim.

Heh. Well, if her most recent episode is anything to go by, I think we can shift that to "recovered".

edited 23rd Dec '11 5:21:11 PM by Enlong

Indeed a fully powered Luna must be at least at Celestia's level.

Yeah that Luna is a very powerful pony

edited 23rd Dec '11 5:21:30 PM by FallenLegend

@badwolf I guess it comes from conflicting Headcanon. My headcanon is that the sun can't come up while the moon is up, and vice versa. It works on a system of balance and synchronization. Bothe sides need to trust each other completely, and if one side of the balance stops moving, the whole system grinds to a halt. I think that's more effective and relevant to the situation at hand than it merely being a contest of power levels.

Plus, the image of Celetia throwing her shattered sister sister around, screaming at her to lower the moon as NM, blood trickling down her face, just continues to laugh insanely is just too awesome for me to ignore

But, apparently, what I think doesn't mean shit! I'm not saying Luna isn't powerful, I just think in an all out brawl, Celestia would have the upper hand.

edited 23rd Dec '11 5:25:48 PM by gingerninja666

Well I guess you better quit while you are ahead cause you are never going to see anything like this two-parter ever again. Mind you some would call that a good thing but you are obviously not one of them.

edited 23rd Dec '11 5:23:42 PM by Mio

"Most annoying Pony: RD"

GET. OUT.

...until you can accept that she has a fanbase. :P

Well we know the Unicorns weren't all united and they still managed to raise the sun and stuff. Of course we don't know how the Unicorns rose the sun so that's pointless.

It's a nice image. I like my image of Celestia desperately trying to get to the elements while evading Luna and at times stopping bystanders from being hurt.

We have at least one more Series Opener.

Oh yeah, forgot. Rainbow Dash is best pony etc. Entitled to your own opinion yada yada.

edited 23rd Dec '11 5:27:14 PM by Badwolfwho

I accept that she has a fanbase, I just don't like her.

Why do you say that?

Was the show canceled? D:

edited 23rd Dec '11 5:27:30 PM by LMage

It's a good thing for him that her fanbase has a very very small presence on this thread.

True, but we don't know if they will keep up the same pattern.

I'm mostly joking with ya Mage, but I am pointing out that things are going to be mostly more mundane from now on.

edited 23rd Dec '11 5:31:05 PM by Mio

The unicorns in charge of the Sun/Moon system would've still been in agreement with each other. At least enough to say "Hey steve, can you lower the moon?" and get "Sure" as a reply.

edited 23rd Dec '11 5:30:15 PM by gingerninja666

No we just only have confirmation of 13 episodes for Series 3 right now. That's why I say at least.

Literally 2 people.

If we take the Leader and the Subordinate to be a metaphor for the Upper Class and Lower Class of the Unicorns (not saying it is but that is one theory) then Clover certainly disliked Platinum and Platinum seemed to view Clover on the same level she viewed Earth Ponies at.

edited 23rd Dec '11 5:32:22 PM by Badwolfwho

I don't think the Moon was lowered/raised regularly before Luna and Celestia where in power; after Discord gets free one of the first things he pulls is making days and nights minuets long at most and deciedly irregular.

Which raises a question: Why wans't Luna helping her sister stop their old foe? Dose she not just give a meh about the Moon and the Night anymore?

edited 23rd Dec '11 5:33:31 PM by LMage

It speaks volumes of the princess power in that many unicorns struggled to do the job rhat a single princess easily does.

@L Mage: Not that I know of. We know that it's getting a third, 13-episode season, but past that we have no idea.

Still recovering? Couldn't use the elements any more than Celestia could?

Eirin's shady new drug?

Well what did Celestia do that was on screen? My Headcanon is that Celestia, Luna and the Royal Guard were all over Equestria holding back the tide of chaos. Celestia found some free time to send letters to Twilight.

Another thing is that Celestia can effortlessly despell something that Twilight, the most powerful Unicorn for at least a millennium couldn't.

edited 23rd Dec '11 5:35:13 PM by Badwolfwho

@bad What I mean is: Both sides NEEDED there to be day and night, so neither side would really be in a position to refuse the raising of the sun and the moon.

Plus, I don't think the lower class would've had much of a say in anything

edited 23rd Dec '11 5:34:39 PM by gingerninja666

My dear fellow thread friends, the most heartfelt winter's greetings to all of you!

I took a one-week-hiatus from the thread, partly from being a bit burnt out on it and also from becoming addicted to watching Amnesia: The Dark Descent Let's Plays ^^. It is now two and a half hours past midnight and I spent the last five hours catching up on the thread. Special hearts to Applelight, who had missed me about 40 pages ago!

What a wild ride the past 150 or so pages were. We had several pornographic humanized!pony pics, pretty depressing near-flame wars and pages upon pages of fanon building (for the record, I was one of the silent minority who is kinda a bit glad that it has its own thread now, as wonderfully artistic, detailed and entertaining as it was; I would love to read/watch the finished product of the parallel foil!Mane 6 guys, but during the building of it... I just can't contribute...).

Just wanna say this: I really, honestly care for all of you and this thread . I only post very little and don't partake in great discussions, but that's just who I am. But rest assured that I follow EVERY single post, I would never skip one!

@Mage: A very belated and super-hearty HELLO from me . I'm really sorry I missed your fist posts here, you are a very welcome and pleasant addition to this thread and the fandom. I love your first reactions to the episodes and friendly demeanor.

@Mousa: An also very belated GREAT WORK on your pictures. I have your Tumbler favorited and love every update. If anyone could give an explanation on how Tumbler works, I would totally Follow you and maybe post a question.

If you think about it, With the earth ponies in charrge of the food they could have easily controlled the other ponie races

edited 23rd Dec '11 5:36:05 PM by FallenLegend

FELL!!!

Your back! It's been too long!

Sorry misunderstood. I thought you meant harmony in all things rather than just the sun and moon cycle.

We don't know how many unicorns it took. Might have taken all of them, might have taken a handful. If it took all then the Lower Class would have had a say in the form of a strike. Clover was the student of the greatest Unicorn of the time wasn't she?

Welcome back.

edited 23rd Dec '11 5:39:11 PM by Badwolfwho