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#315776 Kyler Thatch Wed, 12th Dec '12 11:34:57 AM

Speaking of which, what's so special about crystal ponies?

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#315777 Sereg Wed, 12th Dec '12 11:35:58 AM from South Africa

Yeah, my interpretation is very different. I don't think that Luna would have become Nightmare Moon if she had Loyalty, for example.

But as I said, I think that the Princesses only had one each. Which... assuming that this isn't jossed (and possibly even if it is if my fanverse ends upobviously AU anyway for instance), will be a plot point in my fanfic series. As the other four former element bearers from Discord's defeat are important.

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#315778 Enlong Wed, 12th Dec '12 11:37:08 AM from The Magitek Holyland

Because crystals.

But the storybook says (and depicts) Celestia using them all.

As for Loyalty: Yeah, I dunno. Those last two are a bit difficult to place. And while she may have had Loyalty, it is also known that a person can lose touch with their element, though the thing with Discord was more of a violent flip.

edited 12th Dec '12 11:38:37 AM by Enlong

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#315779 Purple Dalek Wed, 12th Dec '12 11:37:14 AM from Betelgeuse

I know this has been pretty much jossed by the show, but I like to think Celestia and Luna had four other ponies (not necessarily alicorns) to bear the Elements with.

Celestia would totally be Laughter. Luna would probably be Magic due to her having a lot of weird powers (dream walking, turning into Nightmare Moon at will, bringing toys to life etc.)

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#315780 Seraphem Wed, 12th Dec '12 11:39:21 AM from Delamare

As to which Princess is better at magic, i like the one fanfic I saw's idea and it's my headcannon.

Celestia had more raw power and can really let fly with the big league speels, Luna isn't quite as powerful, but is better with the fine delecate, subtle parts of magic. Celestia has more power, but Luna has more skill.

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#315781 Enlong Wed, 12th Dec '12 11:39:40 AM from The Magitek Holyland

I don't think Magic is supposed to be literally Magic. It seems to be more like faith in one's friends. Twilight discovered the element when she realized how happy she was to see her new friends there, and she lost her colors in Return of Harmony when she finally gave into despair and lost her faith.

? Finesse and subtlety from Luna? What about the big angry lightning storm?

edited 12th Dec '12 11:40:31 AM by Enlong

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#315782 Badwolfwho Wed, 12th Dec '12 11:40:05 AM from Stardust Road

Personally I doubt that there were other bearers because I don't see Celestia being so egomanical that she'd cover up their existence.

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#315783 Enlong Wed, 12th Dec '12 11:41:06 AM from The Magitek Holyland

Yeah, if there were others, there'd be statues, or at least a stained glass window.

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#315784 Seraphem Wed, 12th Dec '12 11:41:35 AM from Delamare

not saying she doesn't have a flare for the dramatic.

edited 12th Dec '12 11:41:41 AM by Seraphem

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#315785 Purple Dalek Wed, 12th Dec '12 11:42:36 AM from Betelgeuse

They wanted a quiet life. Celestia has explosive anmnesia.

Stop ruining my headcanon!

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#315786 Sereg Wed, 12th Dec '12 11:42:38 AM from South Africa

@Seraphem: Yeah, what you say about Celestia and Luna is how I see Cadance with the powers of all three races enhanced and her lifespan lengthened. Celestia and Luna are still greater.

On Crystal ponies: Some see them as a variation of earth ponies. I see them as a sepperate tribe.

@Purple Dalek: I agree, but I give Luna generosity (yes, this means a normal pony gets magic).

EDIT: I agree that the bearer of magic is chosen more due to friendship.

Also, Celestia allowed Luna and Discord to be forgotten. So, it's not unprecidented.

edited 12th Dec '12 11:45:15 AM by Sereg

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#315787 Badwolfwho Wed, 12th Dec '12 11:42:49 AM from Stardust Road

On which sister is better at magic, well Luna's beaten Celestia twice now, so I see it as a pretty clear cut case.

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#315788 Kyler Thatch Wed, 12th Dec '12 11:43:47 AM

Pff, big angry lightning storm nothing. Celestia once caused a flash flood all the way from Trottingham to Appleoosa.

(Not really.)

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#315789 Whatshisgame Wed, 12th Dec '12 11:44:00 AM

On the topic of artifacts, there's also der Stern der Winterträume (from the German magazine comic of the same name)

#315790 Kyler Thatch Wed, 12th Dec '12 11:45:07 AM

I don't know German, but I'm guessing something to do with really bad snowstorms.

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#315791 Enlong Wed, 12th Dec '12 11:46:00 AM from The Magitek Holyland

On which sister is better at magic, well Luna's beaten Celestia twice now, so I see it as a pretty clear cut case.

...at the risk of sparking an old argument, I think it goes that Nightmare Moon > Celestia > Luna.

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#315792 Kyler Thatch Wed, 12th Dec '12 11:47:20 AM

I think it's important to make this distinction: what kind of magic?

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#315793 Sereg Wed, 12th Dec '12 11:47:59 AM from South Africa

Made an edit.

On Luna's defeat of Celestia: She was Nightmare Moon both times. Luna says that her dark powers were taken away by the elements. I think she beefed herself with illegal magic to become Nightmare Moon to become stronger than Celestia.

EDIT: I agree with Enlong.

edited 12th Dec '12 11:49:21 AM by Sereg

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#315794 Great God Pan Wed, 12th Dec '12 11:48:32 AM from The Woods. Where else?

I'm under the impression that a thousand years ago, the Elements were more unionized, combined into a single or two separate artifacts. The Mane Elements of today are split into six because now six individuals wield them.

I prefer to think of the 'Dark Powers' that she spoke of were more Force-like than simply her making some deal with some unlikely devil character. Nightmare Moon was simply Luna but with crazy evil eyes.

edited 12th Dec '12 11:50:48 AM by GreatGodPan

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#315795 Badwolfwho Wed, 12th Dec '12 11:50:03 AM from Stardust Road

@ Enlong: I see it as Luna>Celestia. Nightmare Moon is just Luna.

@ Sereg: I see that as she is in charge of the night. Which tends to be dark. The Elements took away most of her magic.

Unlikely, both the story book and the stone elements had more than two shown.

edited 12th Dec '12 11:52:40 AM by Badwolfwho

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#315796 Sereg Wed, 12th Dec '12 11:50:31 AM from South Africa

@Great God Pan: That disagrees with everything that Twilight read in the first episode and the deactivated appearance of the elements.

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#315797 Seraphem Wed, 12th Dec '12 11:50:54 AM from Delamare

Well, going with the D&D type classifications Celestia is better at Evocation and conjuration

Luna is better at Illusion and Enchantment.

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#315798 Great God Pan Wed, 12th Dec '12 11:51:32 AM from The Woods. Where else?

man I barely even remember the first episode...

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#315799 Purple Dalek Wed, 12th Dec '12 11:51:52 AM from Betelgeuse

On the subject of alicorns, how do you think Cadence's love thing works? Does it create love (she could make you fall in love with a potted plant if she was feeling cruel) or can she only strengthen existing love?

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#315800 Seraphem Wed, 12th Dec '12 11:53:11 AM from Delamare

Pretty sure we've settled on she can only enhance or remind ponies about love they already hold, not simply make them feel love.

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