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#278176 Meta Four Sun, 2nd Sep '12 12:55:18 PM from home

I think they mean that if Celestia has to choose between her sister and the wellbeing of her kingdom, her kingdom takes precedence. So if she had to imprison Luna in the moon to ensure the safety of her subjects, she'd do that.

I like to think that Celestia intended from the beginning for NMM to escape from imprisonment after 1000 years; that a millennium of imprisonment followed by harmony laser to the face was the only way to bring Luna back to her right mind.

So, when forced to choose between her sister and her kingdom, Celestia found a way to save both.

EDIT: Pagetoppa.

edited 2nd Sep '12 12:57:24 PM by MetaFour

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#278177 condottiera Sun, 2nd Sep '12 12:57:56 PM from Chicago

I remember this from a while ago made AJ Thor.

But not the Thor I was thinking of.

Still cool, though.

Damn, that movie is so cool.

edited 2nd Sep '12 12:58:29 PM by condottiera

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#278178 Japanese Teeth Sun, 2nd Sep '12 12:58:35 PM from Meinong's jungle

We really don't know exactly to what degree Celestia controlled the elements. I'm pretty sure that she and Luna were both attuned to them when they banished Discord, and there's no reason to assume that Celestia could cease control of all of them when Luna started acting up.

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#278179 Perpetual Lurker Sun, 2nd Sep '12 1:00:09 PM

@Bad Aside from cosmological weirdness, the main reason that the solar system theory doesn't work for me is that the planets are only associated with those aspects because we associated them and named them with our gods and goddesses. Even if there was a planet exactly like Venus in that universe, it wouldn't be named Venus, and thus wouldn't be associated with love. The goddess Venus doesn't exist in that universe.

edited 2nd Sep '12 1:00:54 PM by PerpetualLurker

#278180 condottiera Sun, 2nd Sep '12 1:00:55 PM from Chicago

Ha ha, the Berry Punisher.

I haven't looked at Pixel Kitties in a while.

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#278181 d Roy Sun, 2nd Sep '12 1:01:20 PM from University at Buffalo

Okay, so tell me if I am getting this right:

The Elements of Harmony was used, to unclear level, by both Celestia and Luna in order to defeat Discord.

After that, Luna became Nightmare Moon. Celestia still could use the EOH (as in, before the pilot), but couldn't harness enough power to purify NM because Luna is attuned to them.

edited 2nd Sep '12 1:03:25 PM by dRoy

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#278182 condottiera Sun, 2nd Sep '12 1:02:06 PM from Chicago

Take a drink.

I don't think Celestia can still use the EOH.

edited 2nd Sep '12 1:02:53 PM by condottiera

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#278183 Badwolfwho Sun, 2nd Sep '12 1:03:19 PM from Stardust Road

@ Lurker: To that I counter with the stars have the same names and stuff, why not planets?

edited 2nd Sep '12 1:03:44 PM by Badwolfwho

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#278184 Perpetual Lurker Sun, 2nd Sep '12 1:03:33 PM

My headcanon on Celestia being unable to purify Luna is that they were only two of the six bearers, and the Elements have always been one-to-one with their bearers. When Luna fell, she left them short a bearer, so their full power couldn't be used.

Stars named for mythological creatures that exist in-universe. Why call a constellation Ursa Major? It's named after the real animal. Nothing named for human gods or goddesses.

edited 2nd Sep '12 1:04:52 PM by PerpetualLurker

#278185 d Roy Sun, 2nd Sep '12 1:04:39 PM from University at Buffalo

Hang on, does that mean that there were four other wielders of EOH in that time?

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#278186 Perpetual Lurker Sun, 2nd Sep '12 1:05:12 PM

I like to think so.

#278187 condottiera Sun, 2nd Sep '12 1:05:35 PM from Chicago

Ooh, who were they, then?

And if Cadence is gonna live 1000s of years like other alicorns, does that make her marriage to Shiny a Mayfly December Romance?

edited 2nd Sep '12 1:06:12 PM by condottiera

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#278188 d Roy Sun, 2nd Sep '12 1:06:20 PM from University at Buffalo

Ms. Faust, you got a LOT of questions to answer.

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#278189 Badwolfwho Sun, 2nd Sep '12 1:06:58 PM from Stardust Road

@ Roy: There's no confirmation either way, I find it makes more sense for Celestia and Luna to be the only bearers from that era because I don't think Celestia is such a glory hog she'd stop the others from being remembered.

@ Lurker: Orion. Named after a human. Even make reference to his belt which is superfluous for ponies.

edited 2nd Sep '12 1:07:58 PM by Badwolfwho

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#278190 condottiera Sun, 2nd Sep '12 1:07:23 PM from Chicago

She will never answer them all, will she?

Wow, I hope this show lasts forever. I genuinely think this could go on for years.

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#278191 d Roy Sun, 2nd Sep '12 1:08:03 PM from University at Buffalo

I think there should be a prequel.

It would probably end in massive tear jerker, though.

edited 2nd Sep '12 1:08:14 PM by dRoy

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#278192 Perpetual Lurker Sun, 2nd Sep '12 1:09:04 PM

I'm actually writing a flashback scene involving the original bearers of the Elements in my fic. I'm growing quite attached to the characters, and I may even use them elsewhere eventually.

@Bad Never stated to be a human in-universe, and belts are not superfluous when they serve a purpose, namely holding things, like a quiver of arrows. He's also decidedly not a god associated with any particular aspect of the universe, so my point still stands.

edited 2nd Sep '12 1:11:08 PM by PerpetualLurker

#278193 d Roy Sun, 2nd Sep '12 1:10:53 PM from University at Buffalo

That has to be a big task.

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#278194 Badwolfwho Sun, 2nd Sep '12 1:12:02 PM from Stardust Road

@ Lurker: So constellations are allowed to be named the same thing and have the same connotations despite having a different origin but planets aren't?

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#278195 condottiera Sun, 2nd Sep '12 1:12:23 PM from Chicago

I think a prequel could actually pretty awesome.

The one with the Cutie Mark stories was kind of a prequel episode by itself, almost.

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#278196 Perpetual Lurker Sun, 2nd Sep '12 1:13:50 PM

@Bad I'm not saying that it's not allowed, just implausible. You have to jump through too many hoops for my tastes to make it work.

#278197 Blueeyedrat Sun, 2nd Sep '12 1:14:34 PM from nowhere in particular

A prequel episode with Celestia and Luna would be pretty neat (perhaps narrated by the two in the present, with a different art style?), but it would also be depressing as hell.

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#278198 d Roy Sun, 2nd Sep '12 1:15:03 PM from University at Buffalo

I disliked Cutie Mark Chronicles, but ehhhhhh.

Would it make sense that there were originally six wielders of EOH in the era where Luna didn't turn into NM (is there a name for that?), but by the time Luna corrupted, all four have died of old age or other cause?

Wow, that's a little depressing.

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edited 2nd Sep '12 1:15:24 PM by dRoy

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#278199 Badwolfwho Sun, 2nd Sep '12 1:15:07 PM from Stardust Road

@ Lurker: It's jumping through the same amount of hoops as the rest of space in the show so I'd say it's illogical to have arbitrarily different standards for them.

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#278200 condottiera Sun, 2nd Sep '12 1:17:31 PM from Chicago

I know it would end on a downer, but then you'd be like, aw, don't be sad! Things get better in 1000 years!

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