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#278151 d Roy Sun, 2nd Sep '12 12:43:35 PM from University at Buffalo

@meta four - So, essentially the unicorns came into existence at the same time with celestial objects, correct?

edited 2nd Sep '12 12:43:44 PM by dRoy

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#278152 Perpetual Lurker Sun, 2nd Sep '12 12:44:11 PM

@d Roy Cadance muddles that even further, as her domain appears to be Love as Celestia and Luna's are Day and Night, and Love isn't explicitly associated with a celestial body (unless you go with the whole "their solar system is identical to ours" theory and she has Venus, and that still doesn't make much sense to me). I personally think that they embody concepts, but the concepts exist without them.

edited 2nd Sep '12 12:45:30 PM by PerpetualLurker

#278153 condottiera Sun, 2nd Sep '12 12:44:21 PM from Chicago

In a World of Enchanted Forests, the normal one is spooky.

edited 2nd Sep '12 12:45:25 PM by condottiera

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#278154 Badwolfwho Sun, 2nd Sep '12 12:44:31 PM from Stardust Road

@ Kyler (fix'd): Nightmare Moon would be a tyrannical ruler, so Celestia fought to save her subjects rather than roll over and let her sister win.

@ Count: Natural by our standards. Unnatural by that world's standards.

edited 2nd Sep '12 12:46:59 PM by Badwolfwho

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#278155 condottiera Sun, 2nd Sep '12 12:45:57 PM from Chicago

I know why Celestia defeated NMM. It was a good thing.

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#278156 Japanese Teeth Sun, 2nd Sep '12 12:46:38 PM from Meinong's jungle

@Kyler: I think they mean that if Celestia has to choose between her sister and the wellbeing of her kingdom, her kingdom takes precedence. So if she had to imprison Luna in the moon to ensure the safety of her subjects, she'd do that.

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#278157 Badwolfwho Sun, 2nd Sep '12 12:46:40 PM from Stardust Road

Sorry meant @ Kyler

edited 2nd Sep '12 12:47:37 PM by Badwolfwho

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#278158 d Roy Sun, 2nd Sep '12 12:47:00 PM from University at Buffalo

@condot - Would it really count as a clear win, though? I mean, if Celestia wre to really win, then she would have had to get rid of the corruption as well.

edited 2nd Sep '12 12:47:18 PM by dRoy

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#278159 Kyler Thatch Sun, 2nd Sep '12 12:47:08 PM from across the 4th wall

(unless you go with the whole "their solar system is identical to ours" theory and she has Venus)

Mental Image: An alicorn whose special talent is war. And another who pretty much runs the general Equestian Postal Service.

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#278160 condottiera Sun, 2nd Sep '12 12:47:47 PM from Chicago

Maybe she couldn't.

You must make your own choice.

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edited 2nd Sep '12 12:48:38 PM by condottiera

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#278161 Count Dorku Sun, 2nd Sep '12 12:48:33 PM from a Time of Eclipse

...Odd mental image: alicorns matching the Celestial Incarnae.

edited 2nd Sep '12 12:48:49 PM by CountDorku

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#278162 Japanese Teeth Sun, 2nd Sep '12 12:48:58 PM from Meinong's jungle

My personal take on it is that Celestia couldn't use the elements to purify Luna because Luna was still attuned to them (or at least, the elements weren't attuned to Celestia), so she couldn't get the purification underway until the elements realigned with somepony else.

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#278163 Kyler Thatch Sun, 2nd Sep '12 12:49:15 PM from across the 4th wall

Apparently there was no "purge sister of badness" option. So it was pretty much a lose-lose situation.

Didn't we already do the ponies as Greek gods thing before?

edited 2nd Sep '12 12:50:28 PM by KylerThatch

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#278164 condottiera Sun, 2nd Sep '12 12:49:29 PM from Chicago

There's prolly some Sailor Moon pony stuff out there, too.

I never watched that show, so I don't know anything about it except what I gathered from Pop Culture Osmosis.

Celestia can't mess with free will. NMM must decide her own fate.

edited 2nd Sep '12 12:50:10 PM by condottiera

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#278165 d Roy Sun, 2nd Sep '12 12:49:50 PM from University at Buffalo

I wonder when the ponies first came in Equestria. Could it be that the Alicorns are the first ponies?

@JT - I thought the pilot stated that Celestia wielded all the Elements by herself?

edited 2nd Sep '12 12:50:38 PM by dRoy

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#278166 Meta Four Sun, 2nd Sep '12 12:50:25 PM from home

So, essentially the unicorns came into existence at the same time with celestial objects, correct?

Or, the unicorn tribe inherited control of the celestial bodies from some other being(s) who came into existence at the same time as the sun and the stars.

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#278167 condottiera Sun, 2nd Sep '12 12:50:26 PM from Chicago

Do you think Celestia created them?

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#278168 Badwolfwho Sun, 2nd Sep '12 12:50:29 PM from Stardust Road

I've always been in favour of the Alicorns representing Celestial Objects from the solar system theory. Cadance being Venus etc.

Celestia implies she and Luna came after Discord.

edited 2nd Sep '12 12:51:22 PM by Badwolfwho

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#278169 condottiera Sun, 2nd Sep '12 12:51:11 PM from Chicago

That could work. Do you think the ponies kicked out Pluto, too?

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#278170 d Roy Sun, 2nd Sep '12 12:52:15 PM from University at Buffalo

Does anyone have any guess on where did the first ponies come from?

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#278171 Blueeyedrat Sun, 2nd Sep '12 12:52:23 PM from nowhere in particular

Continuing headcanon: the EoH began to shut down once Luna turned. Celestia was forced to rely more and more on her own powers, and "seal away in a magical coma for an indeterminate amount of time" was the best she could accomplish.

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#278172 Count Dorku Sun, 2nd Sep '12 12:52:24 PM from a Time of Eclipse

@Kyler: The Celestial Incarnae aren't the Greek gods, though.

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#278173 Badwolfwho Sun, 2nd Sep '12 12:54:14 PM from Stardust Road

@ Condo: My headcanon for Pluto is briefly, the Alicorn that represents Pluto used to be a princess but lost her kingdom to experiments she headed that summoned a host of monsters she intended to use to win a war instead the monsters overran it. The remnants are now Tartarus and she watches over it as the Warden of all conquered evils. Except for Luna and Discord, which she is still bitter at Celestia over.

She founded it at least.

edited 2nd Sep '12 12:55:58 PM by Badwolfwho

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#278174 condottiera Sun, 2nd Sep '12 12:54:45 PM from Chicago

I think we had a conversation like this a while ago.

I tried to match Greek gods to the characters.

Then I tried Norse gods, and it was kinda hard.

Ha ha, that makes weird sense.

edited 2nd Sep '12 12:55:11 PM by condottiera

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#278175 d Roy Sun, 2nd Sep '12 12:54:59 PM from University at Buffalo

Do you suppose an alicorn created Tartarus?

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