Can't speak for Ginger but Joker is the type of villain I'm not a fan of.

1) He has absolutely no real motive. He just does it "Because he's crazy." I never got that about animation and comic fans—the Joker does things just to be evil, and somehow he's "creepy" or "well-written" for it, but if absolutely any other villain in any media ever is like that, at least obstensibly, they're bad villains by default (see: Captain Planet, even though all of them were a lot more developed than the Joker was)

2) Almost by the same token, that "craziness" is what makes him dangerous... supposedly. The truth is though, hundreds of people are whacko, and without any actual powers to back up his mad genius, Joker is just a little guy with big ideas... like so many bloggers. I can't suspend my disbelief long enough to believe this guy is an archfiend. Again this is another thing that, when any other villain does it, its "bad writing" but somehow its okay when its the Joker.

3) His archnemesis is a billionaire with Charles Atlas Superpowers and equipment that rivals NASA. Joker is in a LOWER social position, has LESS resources and is, himself, physically and mentally WEAKER than the guy he's supposed to threaten. That has always been the biggest failing of the character in my estimation. The villain needs to obstensibly be bigger, stronger, better-equipped than the hero in every way so he's a challenge. That's why in Resident Evil you play as a normal human and not Tyrant, why in Final Fantasy VII you're a down-on-your-luck ex Soldier and not the head of Shinra, why in Chrono Trigger you play as kids and not Lavos himself.

Stopping there because no feel like starting new shitstorm.

I'm feeling kind of depressed

Imma boot up TF 2, get in on this Pyromania action.

But first I'm gonna update my fanfic, which you should all totally read.

Any stigmas suppressing you?

Nah

edited 27th Jun '12 6:30:09 PM by Chadaman99

Want Surprise to come out and play with you some more, Crowlover?

EDIT: I feel bad that I spend more time roleplaying her than I do continuing my fic about her.

edited 27th Jun '12 6:30:33 PM by MoeDantes

Oh boy, I just watched that documentry on BBC Three called Can We Trust The Police? again. I missed the start of it last time y'see.

It really makes me ashamed to admit that I used to want to be one.

There's one story highlighted in it that makes me see red. In 2008, a father and his two boys were out to see the Chelsea match. Afterwards, they went to a pub to light one of the kids use the bathroom. Trouble flared, and police forced everyone out, seperating the boy from his brother and father. The brother made the mistake of making eye contact with this uniformed thug with a dog. He challenged this fourteen year old kid, who just tried to back off. For that, he sets the dog on him. When the father tries to get this rapid dog off his child, the cops lay into him, and give him a broken rib and puncured lung! CCTV footage shows the two of them being squashed and man handled by a total of nine cops. The badly battered father was charged with assaulting the dog.

No justice there. If I had my way, that fat pig who started the whole thing would have at the very least have been fired. Perferably, he would have done 5 years hard time. If I really had my way...he'd be publicly flogged.

edited 27th Jun '12 6:32:22 PM by ApplelightLimited

Ready to play in approximately 5 hours what the fuck?

Sure, Panic I'm interested in your fic. Could I have a link?

Christ on a crutch! It makes me glad the only run ins with cops I've had are the kind involving traffic. Though even they were asses for the most part. I'm honestly not sure how thoroughly corrupt the police are in my area, but there has been at least one instance of an off-duty officer drawing his side arm and killing someone within the last three years.

edited 27th Jun '12 6:35:21 PM by Drenius

There are assholes like that everywhere, though, Apple.

Having seen several cops and having known loads of people who've interacted with cops, I refuse to consider that asshole cops are the norm

Eh, it's sort of because of Surprise I think I'm depressed.

I did have a lot of fun, but then I see that Red and Blue are somewhat sad about the state of the thread and I blame myself for that to a degree.

I've always viewed a Complete Monster as the kind of bad guy who's pure evil and with no redeeming quality's to speak of, along with usually doing things that earn the title and not end up as a sterotypical bad guy or just a mere, gigantic Jerkass.

Like I said, Albert Wesker and Emperor Palptine are both examples on that trope page, yet they also tend to be viewed as the "Badass" and Magnificent bastard kind of villains {Without being Draco in leather pants mind you, even though I'm sure that still happens with stupid fangirls}. A CM doesn't HAVE to be Flat charector.

Although yes, I still remember the Spongebob incident, and I didn't even have an account on this site yet when that happend. Man, that was so stupid.-_-

I just wanted to speak my thoughts on that trope. I'll gladly drop the topic after this post.

edited 27th Jun '12 6:38:46 PM by marston

What WAS the Spongebob incident

@ginger By listen to music, I assume you mean not ingame music. Since I'm the only one in this thread who really plays it, I just feel like your guide to the game, so I feel obligated to ask.

I think Joker's saving premise is charisma, his personality is amusing which makes it easy to overlook his shortcomings as a villain. It's also an arguable reason he isn't a full on Complete Monster, who aren't allowed to have any charming or humorous facets.

Him killing and causing chaos For the Lulz is a very basic thing, but him doing it with the zany charm he often shows is entertaining. When an associate disagrees with him, he doesn't shoot them or give a Silence, You Fool! monologue, he calmly shakes their hand with a fatal buzz shocker all the while laughing maniacally and making insane quips, before calmly chatting with the chared corpse.

@ginger: I'm guessing it involves Mr Krabs' Jerkass Flanderization, which among many moments disliked by the fanbase, includes harrassing Plankton disproportionately or unprovoked to the point he looks like the actual instigator (the point he tried to torture Plankton to the point of suicide is especially hated). He's also a Karma Houdini in most cases, which are commonly hated even more. I admit I hate this type of development a lot, but I would hardly say Krabs is a Complete Monster, just the writers' bad attempts at writing darker humor.

edited 27th Jun '12 6:43:49 PM by Psi001

@Croww: It has nothin' to do wwith Surprise, mostly. I'm just gettin' reminded a wwhy I left in the first place, wwhich wwas largely jags a postin' that have nothin' to do wwith FiM at all, too much to do wwith FoE, an' other things a the sort.

Sure, here's my fic. Contains link to fimfiction, which has chapter 23. I'll be emailing that into them a little later.

@ Drenius

I won't deny they have a difficult job to do. But unfortunately, it's the type of profession that attracts undesirables. And of course, power corrupts.

Don't be concerned about me at all, it's my own personal failing that I can't bring myself to simply stop checking the thread. Y'all have fun here (so do I in fact, quite a lot), so you shouldn't feel bad about that.

I kind of like having us referred to as Red and Blue though, it sounds like we are two agents of some extremely fashionable secret agency based on colors or something.

Yeah Crow, today has to have been Surprise's best outing ever.

But I really do feel like I'm using the sockpuppet so much, its taking away from the fanfics. So I'm gonna let her sleep for awhile.

Anyway, here's the fanfic. Read please. Working on Scenes 4 and 5 right now.

not like there's a whole bunch of new pony stuff to talk about these days, gien dead thread of off topic thred, i'd choose life

All I'm going to say about the cop thing is that there are assholes in every profession; cops just get a lot of press over it. You can't judge the job as a whole by the fact that there are jackasses involved. The cops who spend their time busting drug lords are out there, they just don't get the press.

As for the thread and it's topics, I'd kinda prefer that it remain on topic, but given that we don't really have any new incoming material I can't complain too much, especially since I haven't really been helping. And like Seraphem said, I'd rather have on topic than off topic, but I'd rather have off-topic than no posts at all.

edited 27th Jun '12 6:42:42 PM by JapaneseTeeth

Joker=My favorite comicbook villain.

Still want to see Trottingham.

I would die happy if we saw Trottingham in an episode. I want to see Trottigham more than ANYTHING!

I imagine it has a perpetually grey, cloudy, and rainy sky

I'm interested in Galloping Gorge, personally.

I really want to see Las Pegasus. You just know that a Vegas-style plot would be epic.