Anyone likes the idea of an entire antagonistic race in a fantasy world?

Boo, ok.

edited 25th Apr '12 10:33:15 PM by Chadaman99

Antagonistic because they're at odds with another race for either natural or political reasons, perhaps. Because they're Always Chaotic Evil, maybe not so much.

Most fantasy worlds have a wide variety of monster races designed purely as antagonists. I don't have a problem with it.

Well everyone, good night. I have morning classes as well as class registration. Tootles~~

And I wish I knew someone like Rainbow Dash. I would ask him or her out on a date. Then I would pretend my Appledash dreams were completed ^^

Well I think I've got the self-centered braggart part down.

Goodnight Ilse.

If the monsters are sentient and are shown to be completely antagonistic at all times I find it a bit weird, but I usually don't take huge issue with it.

G'night Ilse :D

I expect there to be changelings who've gone native.

In before fanfic about a changeling who made friends with a pony and chose to assume her friend's identity to "keep her alive" after her friend gets killed in an accident involving Everfree megafauna.

edited 25th Apr '12 10:43:58 PM by AceOfScarabs

i dunno the nature of evil is an interesting concept in fantasy works. I also love redemption stories too, so when the to go hand in hand I'm hooked.

Anyone know any works like that?

edited 25th Apr '12 10:43:40 PM by Chadaman99

Nature of evil as according to Granny Weatherwax is seeing others as things and not people. Redemption begins when you stop doing that and try to make up for your wickedness.

edited 25th Apr '12 10:44:57 PM by AceOfScarabs

I don't know. The Animorphs is sort of like that.

But what the urge to do it is inherit in your family/race? Like a curse or is just natural.

edited 25th Apr '12 10:47:12 PM by Chadaman99

I don't know about an urge to be "evil". That's far too nebulous a term to be usable. Urge to steal, maybe. Urge to be murderously violent, possibly.

One last try at getting a reaction from this.

Take for instance the Black Dragon Flight Warcraft. Basically their leader was corrupted by an outside force and because so all his decedents are violent megalomaniac brutes. Save for one egg that after constant purifying experiments removed whatever it was that cursed its forefather.

Sounds like a fun read.

edited 25th Apr '12 10:52:33 PM by Chadaman99

Not sure what reaction you want. I prefer to just ignore grimdark fics like that one.

@Chad: Weeeeeeeell The Colour You Bleed deals heavily with what it means to be bad, and the concept of redemption. Not quite the same as 'what is evil', but it does at several times dissolve into a discussion of the value of things an morality, and in one chapter the main characters do discuss just what it means to be 'bad'. In essence they come upon the conclusion that the only men who are truly evil are the ones who don't realize they're doing something wrong; the moment you realize you are wrong and try to stop, you are no longer a bad person.

Yes! With a heel realization that happens.

But what if mind doesn't allow for that thought process?

Night Blue, hope you're not feeling blue.

I dunno wasn't "Try it punk!" the first showing of her martial prowess?

edited 25th Apr '12 11:04:55 PM by Chadaman99

Good night y'all.

G'night Bluespade.

Rarity is apparently a martial artist. Did she start learning alongside Dashie or something?

@Chada: She kicks a Manticore in the face in the Season 1 pilot, lays out changelings with mean hooks, and strikes some serious flank-kicking poses when Discorded in Return of Harmony. Maybe she takes combat aerobics to keep her svelte figure.

edited 25th Apr '12 11:07:08 PM by AceOfScarabs

I' m not quite certain what you mean... That the persons mind basically never wonders if they're wrong for hurting people? In that case even if they can't be called 'evil' they're still very fundamentally ill.

In the terms that it's portrayed, the difference between good and evil is compassion. When it's said outright the question is whether the protagonist, Blueblood, can still be a good person after he's basically made everyone around him miserable, and it's stated that the fact he recognizes he did so, and feels guilty, is the reason he isn't as bad as he thinks. In practice the 'good' characters all feel actively guilty about something, or seek change in themselves. Blueblood feels guilty about the way he treated his servants, his mentor feels guilty about all the ponies he's killed in the past, etc. The villains, meanwhile, show no signs of remorse or compassion. Each one of them only cares about their own goals. It's the capacity to think of others that separates them. In that case the inability to consider one might be bad - the inability to cinsider you are hurting somepony, and you should stop - is what makes them bad.

In another sense the difference between good and evil could be said to be the willingness and capacity to change versus complacency, but that's a different question entirely and not necessarily a moral one.

I'm of the opinion that a mind that doesn't allow for that kind of realization is a mind that can't process emotions at all. And if that's the case, you can't even be said to be evil, just very very dangerous to be around.

Sociopaths are definitely a different kind of problem D:

That's just sad.

Medical terms gets extremely specific.

Also, whadup.

edited 25th Apr '12 11:21:44 PM by Chadaman99

I thought sociopath was a faux-medical term not in actual use, like insane

Also hai.

Heya Absol. Socio isn't used much because the media prefers to use psychopath.