@Bag: I ease the pain by inserting my own morals. MDW? Everyone can have fame go to their head, even the well intentioned - Twi and the girls got sort of insufferable in their own right. FPK? When you test a hypothesis, don't set out to prove yourself right or someone else wrong. Test the theory objectively and separate yourself from the experiment (SCIENCE!)

You mean that, in the real world, if you met somebody who had the demonstrable ability to consistently and factually predict the future, it would be stupid to believe in it? Even when all scientific evidence points towards it being legit?

I'm pretty sure she knows she's not actually the best; she's never once claimed to be better than the Wonderbolts, and she readily accepts that she needs more practice to join them. I like Dashie a lot for that, actually - her confidence is largely a facade without her friends supporting her, and she needs them to be as loyal as she is.

As for FPK, which I really, really don't want to discuss again, suffice to say that Twilight was not conducting scientific experiments by any definition of the phrase and should be ashamed of herself for distorting the scientific method like that.

I never really got the problem that Twilight was being punished for following the scientific method in Feeling Pinkie Keen because she wasn't following the scientific method. If she was she would have at least entertained the possibility that her hypothesis was wrong after the multitude of evidence that proves it to be wrong. Instead she says that no, that evidence doesn't count because she cannot be wrong.

edited 28th Feb '12 10:36:29 AM by Badwolfwho

Yeah, Twilight's problem wasn't that she was examining Pinkie Sense scientifically, it's that she was examining it scientifically and ignoring the evidence in favor of her own bias. No one is saying that Twilight needed to believe that Pinkie Sense was real just because Pinkie says so. The Scientific Method, loosely defined is "let's examine the the hypothesis and see if it's true or not". Twilight didn't do that. Her take was "I already know this is false and I'm going to look for evidence that proves me right."

edited 28th Feb '12 10:38:33 AM by JapaneseTeeth

Sorry to break the current topic of Alternate Character Interpretation, but here's something I thought you guys might like: a friend of mine makes a custom tv-extended theme mix.

Yeah, FPK wasn't anti-science. It was anti-bad science.

@Bad: Pretty much my thoughts on it. The moral in and of itself was valid, but the lesson I took from it was less "Believe in something without knowing how it works, and don't try to understand it", and more "Be a good scientist goddammit".

As for Dash, she does admit that she needs practice, but she doesn't act like it. She still struts about like a peacock, and the average onlooker could be forgiven for seeing her as arrogant. She's more honest with her friends, but the rest of the world get's the "look at me" front. Again, she likes attention. Craves it. The more people looking, the better. When they're her friend she understands she doesn't need to be perfect to keep them around, but the crowds? She's gotta be the best, and if she isn't she's gotta act the part. Dash is actually pretty similar to Trixie in that regard - she's a performer. She's gotta strut her stuff for the crowds, even if it's all lights and sounds. Gotta believe your 10 feet tall and farting thunderbolts if you're gonna make it in the performing world. Trixie/dash is my new ship now, by the way.

I love that extended theme so much. The puns, they are so beautiful.

There is a distressing lack of Trixie/Dash. It is the greatest travesty of all in this fandom.

Trixie and Dash probably couldn't stand each other, because they'd always be cutting into each others spotlight.

I suppose that's the appeal?

Could two egos that big be safely carried on board a ship?

Okay, I'm normally not big into Foe Yay ships, but Trixie/Dash would be glorious.

^They would murder each other trying to upstage their partner, you know.

Yeah; Dash is actually rather like Pinkie in that sense. She's an extreme extrovert and a lot of her self-confidence is entirely dependent on how other people see her and treat her.

Thankfully, I don't have much to catch up but I just want to put out briefly to storyyeller that thank you, I think I will go with disarray, and if I made syllables matched 100% perfectly I would never get any fandub finished ever, stretching and compressing are very necessary and wile I do plan on making changes to adjust for such things when I move on to the next draft, keep in mind nothing is perfect.

That is a pretty cracktastic ship

Hipster Mode: I was shipping Trixie and Dash before it was cool.

I'm going to play some more Mass Effect now. I'll be back in a few hours probably

Yeah, Trixie/Dash wouldn't be a ship, it would be a war zone.

@Nomuru: That song... sounds alright I guess. I'm not a big fan of the theme song anyway, so not particularly interested in a full length of it. It felt about the same as the official one to me. Oh, and the beginning was full on Tastes Like Diabetes. But overall, not bad. I guess I don't have much of an opinion.

See, Mousa? I told you we could bash Dash and Pinkie on the same basis as Rarity!

Now Twilight I like to bash for being so hilariously full of contempt.

Yeah, that's mostly why I like the thought of it. They'd despise each other so much it'd be hilarious. But if they ever got over it it might be interesting. They could support each other really well if they ever actually learned to respect each other, because if someone they respected payed attention to them...

It would be like an old nag sort of thing. They'd bitch and moan and argue, but they'd do it because they loved each other, and in the privacy of their home they might actually be a bit sweet to one another.

But yes, Dash and Pinkie are remarkable similar. In fact, I'd call Dash a slightly more advanced Pinkie. She still craves that attention, and fears being alone, but she at least knows she doesn't have to be perfect in front of her friends. Which honestly gives credence to that ship as well, since they could support one another. Shame Pinkie Twi is so much cuter.

edited 28th Feb '12 10:55:37 AM by kegisak

^It's not really something to bash people about; some people can self-validate, and others can't. It doesn't make you objectively better than someone else to be able to get by without knowing that people like you.

Now that I've finally caught up, I have to say, wow, this turned into a lot of arguing rather quickly.

C-C-C-CONVO BREAKER!

Well that was an effective Ninja. Thank you, Mousa. But yeah... It did look like a bit of a gripe-fest for a while there... I think we're calm now though?

edited 28th Feb '12 11:08:59 AM by kegisak

This is downright civil compared to arguments and flamewars I have witnessed elsewhere in the past, although it is fairly rocky for this thread

Mousa I hear you're up to around seventy followers now right? Good show!

Edit:

Yes I'm impressed with how civil we are to each other 99% of the time.

edited 28th Feb '12 11:11:21 AM by ApplelightLimited