@Teeth: I'm sorry. I'm running on very little sleep, so I'm a bit irritable. Yeah it's not fair to take that out on Ginger, and we've moved past the issue so I won't linger on it, but let's be fair: I'm not the only one who's getting tired of doing this dance.

TwiDash pagetopper!

edited 14th Feb '12 2:19:26 PM by kegisak

Ginger, I'm sorry. I know I'm not helping very much. I know shouting at you doesn't help your persecution complex at all, It's just that it can be insanely frustrating sometimes. Add the fact that trying to get you to try something new is like pulling teeth and I get needlessly angry. But that's my problem.

Agreed

edited 14th Feb '12 2:22:06 PM by Drenius

Yeah, I'm tired of the drama too, it's just that telling Ginger to fuck off isn't going to defuse the drama any.

Weirdly enough, I think the thing that isolates him more than anything else is that he keeps talking about how nobody agrees with him. If he didn't bring that up so often I probably wouldn't even notice the stuff we disagree on.

@Ginger: For the record, I don't want you to go anywhere. But you really do need to realize this: just because people disagree with you about favorite characters, or plot points, or whatever doesn't mean that they dislike you personally and you should stop assuming that that's the case. In all probability, the people who are annoyed at you are annoyed that you keep complaining about how everyone disagrees more than anything else.

edited 14th Feb '12 2:23:03 PM by JapaneseTeeth

I like Twi Dash now. Probably nerding out at Twilight's treehouse and writing terrible fanfiction together.

And as usual, JT is right.

EDIT: And let's add some more to that. If someone disagrees with you on something, they do nott disagree with you on everything. If someone disagrees with you on something, it does not mean that everyone else disagrees with you on the same thing. If your opinion is unpopular, it doesn't matter, because it's an opinion.

edited 14th Feb '12 2:25:03 PM by Sereg

You're right about how it's the only issue. And you may be right that being less sympathetic isn't going to be any better, but what else are we supposed to do? I've tried to talk him down every time this happens, but it always comes back to the same place. Hell, if anything it's gotten worse. Maybe it's time to try a different approach.

edited 14th Feb '12 2:23:09 PM by kegisak

Ok. My issue isn't that I can't enjoy villain-less things (my two favourite shows are House and MLP for instance) It's that villains are the ONLY criteria I can quantify in any solid way. I also know that protagonists are usually the characters I like the least.

I can't ask if a show is the sort of thing I'd enjoy because other than the villain meeting my standards, my standards don't exist (at least not in a way I can express verbally) I don't KNOW what I'll enjoy. but I KNOW what villains I enjoy, so I lead with that.

I hope that made sense

So here's a thought, then: Try a show and see. Someone recommended you something? Oh, give it a shot. Don't like it? Oh well, you don't need to finish. Do like it? Great, keep going! Eventually you'll have sampled enough to be able to at least make comparisons to what you like and don;t like, and articulating your preferences come from there.

Sooo. . .new topic.

Pony crossovers. What franchises do you think would be great if crossover with ponies?

I actually considered writing an Fi M/Persona crossover during the summer, though that never came to fruition. I think that the atmosphere and themes of the last two games actually fit well in the world of ponies.

@Freeman: I prefer Apple Twi myself. I'm not even sure why. I just like the way the character interact.

@Ginger: Yeah, my only advice there is to spread out your horizons a bit and just try some random stuff and see if you can pick out other things that you like. Yeah, some of them are going to be wastes of time, but that's a possibility no matter what you pick up. No point in narrowing things down even more.

edited 14th Feb '12 2:28:01 PM by JapaneseTeeth

I sort of....have a....thing....written...of a crossover.

I also like Twinkie, though mainly due to the name.

edited 14th Feb '12 2:26:33 PM by TheFreeman

I've been trying to think of a good pony crossover for fanfic ideas, but all the good ones seem to be taken already.

Thing to remember is that we're not qualified professionals (at least, I assume most of us aren't), and even if we were, this isn't the place to fix whatever personal issue he has.

So, really, if things continue as they are, with people getting riled up at regular intervals, then the problem will have to be dealt with. With mod action, if need be.

Though I still hope it never comes to that.

edited 14th Feb '12 2:26:43 PM by KylerThatch

@kegi But I HAVE seen a WIDE variety of things. and I still can't artiulate my standards. I don't know what's wrong with me

edited 14th Feb '12 2:26:39 PM by gingerninja666

@ Freeman: Good, that is the best ship.

@ Ginger: Is there nothing else you have a specific fondness for, settings, plots, characterisation?

@ Crossovers: I really want to see a Yugioh crossover.

edited 14th Feb '12 2:27:50 PM by Badwolfwho

@Bad no. Nothing. I have NO set standards except for villains.

Thread Hop

Gr....traffic takes so long....

ANYWAYS, if you could write a pony episode what wold be it's premise?

Ginger, please stop assuming something is wrong with you. It's terribly depressing and largely untrue.

I'd actually like to see a Kolchak/Pony crossover. Or a Tintin crossover but everyone knows of my love for the latter, so it's hardly surprising.

edited 14th Feb '12 2:30:07 PM by Drenius

Twilight subs in for Cheerilee at the schoolhouse. I've been saying that since season 1 and it still applies.

There are two options, basically: there's the blunt, "Stop whining about it" option, which has potential to make it worse but may also shake him out of it faster, and there's the option of just ignoring it when it comes up, which is gentler but at the same time doesn't necessarily tell him he's wrong. Of course I'm honestly working under the admittedly somewhat offensive assumption that he's playing it up, because if he genuinely believes everyone is against him then there's nothing we can do short of suggesting therapy. Because that is not a healthy attitude to apply to anything, and needs to be taken care of by a professional.

Yes, Ginger, we are going to continue to talk about you like you aren't here.

Anyways, if you've seen a lot of stuff, then go back to what you didn't like and watch it with a really critical eye to find out why you didn't like it. What about it made you feel bad? you're a film student, you should be able to rip stuff apart.

edited 14th Feb '12 2:30:15 PM by kegisak

@Ginger: I edited in some more comments to you. As for whether or not your comments on story preference make sense, yes they do. It means that you like different things from different shows. This is normal. You can say what you liked or didn't like and what you liked or disliked most about those individual things without generalising. Your generilisations make it look like there's exactly one story ever that you would like because your peaking as though all the things you like are necessary.

edited 14th Feb '12 2:33:34 PM by Sereg

@ Ginger, I'm with you on that, I know what I like, but not WHY I liked it, all I can do is if something looks interesting or someone suggests it, try and see.

I'm reading a very good MLP / Dresden Files crossover, that's got me really interested in trying some of those books.

Whatever it is, it will involve Pinkie Pie finally getting some semblance of characterization beyond Rule of Funny.

That's probably a pet peeve of mine for this show so far.

edited 14th Feb '12 2:30:44 PM by KylerThatch

x5

Oh....That would be cool

@ ginger

I don't even need to read the missing pages to guess what happened. There is nothing wrong with you ginger and never has been, you remain one of the most intelligent, good nature, and creative individuals I have ever had the good fortune to converse with.

edited 14th Feb '12 2:31:00 PM by LMage

@Ginger: There are basically 2 pieces of advice that should make this easier for everybody:

1. Be willing to give things a try even if they don't fit your objective criteria. I know there have been lots of times I thought I would hate something and ended up enjoying it when I gave it a try.

2. Don't assume that people don't like you because they disagree with you on something, or that they're specifically targeting you when they make a blanket statement about some sort of abstract issue. I.e. if the new guy says he thinks Applejack is boring, he's probably not doing it just to bug you and you shouldn't hold it against him, or assume he'll hold it against you for liking her.