This needs to be fic'd.

Yes it does.

Every episode, Bon-Bond's girl of the week turns out to be...Lyra in a wig. Still fools everypony.

Discovery Kids Latin America will start Showing MLP:Fi M Nov 26!

Just skimming through the TV tropes character pages (y'know, because that's something I do on a regular basis and all)

I know I oftentimes sound like a broken record, but Can someone PLEASE find the the Lauren quote where she said that Luna was being posessed by something. The only one I remember was relating PURELY to Nightmare Moon's physical appearance, and nowhere in it did she mention Luna's mental state. If there's some other quote out there that I've somehow missed regarding this issue then please share it with me. I wanna get this topic outta my mind as quickly as possible.

It's just that at the moment we seem to be going out of our way to seperate the two characters as much as possible, and at almost every trope we seem to be reminding people "Oh no, it wasn't Luna's choice, she was being posessed this whole time, " It just kinda... bugs me.

edited 8th Nov '11 1:44:33 AM by gingerninja666

As always I am on the side that Night Mare Moon and Luna were pretty much the same pony.

I'm on the side of: It was something she did to herself, not an external force. Her mind was corrupted so she wasn't thinking clearly, but all of NM's feelings were still her own, and the entire thing was ultimately her fault.

I'm on side of: she was corupted: Luna and NM are not same pony but also they are not completly diffrent beings.

But it wasn't even like their personalities were drastically different. NM was basically Luna with none of her woobieish qualities.

Until you have proof that she say this only about physical appearance (posted on fyre-flye acount or somewhere else) that Word Of God will be about mental state to. Because she was explaining diffrent look of Luna but sounded like it cover her mental/soul coruption.

And this outside force can corrupt only how she look? She can change shape while not corupted and look like NM.

And who exacly say that she was posessed this whole time? Exept few fans, mostly die hard fans of Woobie Luna who prefer blame Tyrant Celestia for everything.

Luna cared about ponies and was saying their life. NM whatned to force night on ponies (and rest of world) what could also cause death of everypony.

Agree, no big difference.

because I'm not having ALL of the blame lifted from Luna's shoulders regarding this. It ruins her entire dynamic if none of this was her choice.

Plus, the post was in response to someone asking about Nightmare Moon's appearance relating to Luna's

You can say that about ALL Face Heel Turn characters though, and I'm pretty sure most of them were still the same people, you don't have to be nastily sarcastic about it.

Ah well, I guess it just feels like a MASSIVE missed oppurtunity to me

edited 8th Nov '11 2:24:34 AM by gingerninja666

I think it'd be interesting if Luna has chosen to believe (and perhaps maybe even Celestia thinks) that she was corrupted and taken over to some degree, but that when the magic/presence/entity finally appears we learn that she had much more control than she cared to admit.

Could be a nice character building moment of Luna admitting her mistake, especially if this thing tries to influence another pony.

See, now if it was done that way then it'd be awesome (I even had a fic idea with that basic premise until Canon!Luna came around)

The problem I have is that I don't like the way people use this corruption as a method of excusing Luna for everything. And the way they play her up to be the victim in all this.

I never said she don't have any blame on her (most fans to). I say she can't have all blame for every what Nightmare Moon have done.

There is diffrenst between Good Turns Evil (and turns back later ) and Turn To The Dark Side (and turned back later). I know normal character can evolve into bad guy and later evolve into good guy again but it have to be long process. But this not that case, Luna was hited by Care Beare Stare, and if any Dark Side or other Coruption wasn't involved this mean that she was brainwashed into good again - and that's big NO NO.

Show examples of people doing this.

Well there are all those fics that paint Luna as a Purity Sue, and blame Celestia for everything that happened

Also, I DO think she was corrupted (as you said, brainwashed into being good doesn't sound very family friendly ), I just don't think she became an entirely different pony. She was more Drunk on the Dark Side than flat out possessed IMO. The elements basically cleared her head and got rid of her dark powers (which she says herself in Luna Eclipsed) allowing her think clearly for the first time in a thousand years.

I also think the corruption was something she brought on herself (she merely refers to Nightmare Moon as HER Dark powers, not another consciousness altogether)

I don't think we'll ever get a concrete, in-show answer to the question of Nightmare Moon. At most, we can expect characters to make some vague statements that describe what they believed happened, and just let us form our own conclusions. And since the show isn't even very internally consistent (are these ponies celebrities or aren't they?) we really have nothing but theories anyway. Wouldn't surprise me if you asked Lauren about it three different times and got a different answer each time.

Personally, my theory is that Luna Selena Delicatessa Cosmos Equestrios III ate a Hershey Bar and was transported into the future where, during the fall of the Silver Millennium she was possessed by the spirit of Queen Metalia of the Bydo Empire and sent back in time to destroy all Ponydom. But the Bydo hadn't counted on the Elements of Harmony which are formed from fragments of the Nova Force and activated by friendship (again?) and so their plan failed. Only then did Luna realize how utterly terrible things had gone.

And a free sweet apple to anyone who catches every single reference in the above paragraph without looking it up.

edited 8th Nov '11 4:25:10 AM by MoeDantes

So like Coco Natts has said above me, the show is going to start airing on Discovery Kids Latin America. Now, you'd think this would be fine until you realize that the channel has degraded into another preschooler channel like Treehouse, Barney and all. At least now, there's going to be another country that's going to be in the same boat as us Canadians...that is until someone reports that they won't censor it in Latin America.

edited 8th Nov '11 4:20:51 AM by x86x

btw, MORE GRANNY SMITH!! She's adorable

Sad that I already made a TF2-announcer video, because Granny Smith could also be The Announcer.

edited 8th Nov '11 4:40:40 AM by Kerrah

Somepony should make a group on DA "Ditzy Do and family."

They don't have one specific fallback, but it's probably pretty much anything requiring manual dexterity beyond the capacity of dexterous hooves.

Assuming I can even remember all that, I might just file it under "Headcanon"...

Luna Selena Delicatessa Cosmos Equestrios FAUSTIA III

Fixed, You forget she is the daughter of the Goddess-Emperess.

edited 8th Nov '11 5:27:29 AM by AceOfScarabs

Oh Tabitha St. Germain, its like she gets hammier by the episode!

Also, in the Granny Smith clip, anyone notice that at the beginning that's the first time we see Derpy and Dinky in the same shot? :P

I've already got it filed under headcanon, personally.

Luna = because that's what she's called in the show.
Selena = because that's what she's called in the storybook that came with the gift set.
Delicatessa = because I felt like there needed to be another word here.
Cosmos = because she's a celestial goddess of sorts.
Equestrios = because she co-rules Equestria (presumably "Cosmos Equestrios" indicates "Goddess of the Equestrion galaxy")
III = Because it feels wrong to have a name like this and not end it on a number, and so many great things have a 3 in their name. Super Mario 3, The Three Musketeers, Lupin the Third...

... and I just now understood why Ace of Scarabs suggested adding "Faustia" to the name *facepalm*. Though, perhaps "Faustia" should replace "Delicatessa" since "Faustia" has relevance, while "Delicatessa" is just something I pulled out of nowhere.

So... which is better:

Luna Selena Faustia Cosmos Equestrios III

or

Luna Selena Delicatessa Cosmos Equestrios III?

The second one reminds me of sandwiches.

I pick the second one.