@Sereg: I did say relatively. Chrysalis is not exactly your average opponent, even without the love. But I guess there is an assumption that if someone can deal godly punishment then they should be able to take it, which Celestia doesn't in that case. I'm not saying that assumption is necessarily reasonable in this case, but it does exist.

I would also like to point out that there should be something between, a searing beam and literally calling down the sun in her repertoire.

She's Twilight's magic teacher. I imagine she would have quite a selection of spells to choose from in most situations.

Wait, was it a full on Precure-style magical battle?

Yes. Yes it was.

Humans are capable of performing more powerful attacks with our bodies than our bodies are capable of surviving being subjected to. Celestia survived being hit with an ttack more powerful than she was capable of performing. Clearly she is closer to a Stone Wall than we are.

But I thought we were assuming she was holding back in that fight?

Don't know if this has been shared here yet

Spike Isn't a Dragon◊

It's possible that Celestia is superpowerful, but it seems unlikely given the way she acts in the show.

That is a pretty cool fanon, but I keep getting hung up on the "mature without changing size or form" line, because he did both.

Edit: After doing a little research into neoteny and Axolotls, that seems more gibberish than anything else.

edited 29th Mar '13 1:10:26 PM by CDRW

Depends on how "holding back" you are talking about. I meant "holding back" as simply blasting your enemy with concussive force as opposed to getting more creative and using the environment against them.

EDIT:

This is another thing I don't get. Is your poer supposed to alter your personality or something? (Note. I'm not denying that Celestia isn't the most poerful individual in the setting. Discord, Nightmre Moon, love-poered Chryslis and Sombra are all stronger).

EDIT: Axolotls have gills. And being neotynys, as mentioned, it isn't norml for them to metmorphise. They simply reproduce in their larvl form.

edited 29th Mar '13 1:18:31 PM by Sereg

The threshold for being stronger than you can withstand isn't really all that high for most beings. I mean, we're a race that's physically capable of killing each other with well-placed drinking straws.

I can't really fault Celestia for going down with a laser to the face, even if she could make a bigger one. One assumes Chrysalis would have been in similarly poor shape if she lost that one attack instead.

edited 29th Mar '13 1:19:48 PM by Pykrete

Well, I was thinking in the sense off she was only using the force she felt was necessary to subdue Chrysalis and would not put the civilians at risk. That is what I assumed "holding back", not using all of the force you could for X or Y reasons.

edited 29th Mar '13 1:18:46 PM by Mio

@Mio: ell yeah. That could be bit different. I was still assuming her laser was as strong as she could make it (I believe Chrysalis's claim that this demonstrated she was stronger than Celestia), but Celestia's capable of other spells as previously demontrated. So no walls of fire, no imploding the building, no turning the floor into spikes, no raising the tempurture of the room a few thousand degrees etc.

I think they meant maturing without changing features. Basically an Axolotl is a Salamander that never matures beyond the nymph phase... yet still grows in size.

Basically spike grows in size but does not gain wings like a "normal" dragon would.

edited 29th Mar '13 1:25:39 PM by Turtlebutter

But that's the thing, Spike clearly matured in a manner consistent with puberty, so that part doesn't fit, and he doesn't bear even a superficial resemblance to an Axolotl.

Edit: So the assumption is that since he didn't get wings, he didn't mature? I don't think that fits what we saw.

edited 29th Mar '13 1:28:26 PM by CDRW

He did not mature so much as merely grew in size. If true dragon maturity means growing wings then he didn't technically become an adult... he just got bigger.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoteny

edited 29th Mar '13 1:34:10 PM by Turtlebutter

He didn't just grow in size though, he went through clear, identifiable stages of puberty, complete with different body types such as the gangly one that corresponded with adolescence, and the filled out version of adulthood. His long neck, proportionally small, differently shaped head, built up body, proportionally longer legs, and quadrupedal stance all fit the bill of a physically maturing creature. I think that the more reasonable conclusion is that he's just a type of dragon that doesn't have wings.

edited 29th Mar '13 1:40:32 PM by CDRW

It wasn't true maturity though as far as we know.

Personally I don't think he's a true dragon I think he's a wyrm or some other wingless variant.

I just thought it was an interesting theory.

My insurance.

You need moar.

We're really doing power levels again? We never resolve anything, guys.

Better than going to the weird place, no?

I like the weird place. The weird place is comfortable and familiar.

We have no way of measuring their power levels. Not without scouters, anyway.

edited 29th Mar '13 1:48:27 PM by IrishZombie

Or we could go to the middle place. Where conversation is normal and not boring or annoying.

Is this really a problem? We have diverse opinions here but I don't think tht's bad thing.

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A little difficult to achieve both of those at the sme time.

edited 29th Mar '13 1:51:18 PM by Sereg