I think this is awesome. There need to be more stories about princesses rescuing guys. (That said, it shouldn't go to the extreme of making guys useless either.)

EDIT:Agreed.

edited 12th Mar '13 1:30:29 PM by Sereg

Thats kinda why I was a little upset with Twi becoming a princess. I just felt it was dumbing things down a bit... like the only way to be useful as a girl is to be a pretty princess.

I know the writers are going to try and turn that trope on its head but.... will it really get through to kids?

And drag them back to your cave?

Kids ain't that dumb. In fact, I see more dumb adults than dumb kids, and the former are much more stupid than the latter. Which leads me to conclude some people grow dumber as the grow older.

edited 12th Mar '13 1:35:11 PM by Lopiny

Yes... and force them to roast me some Brontosaurus ribs and then make them vacuum the cave with a tiny elephant on a stick

edited 12th Mar '13 1:34:54 PM by Turtlebutter

Sorry for replying late, but thanks for the welcome...and I don't actually mind the males...I just don't like Snips & Snails...I do wanna see more make characters tho, but I think that the reason why there aren't enough is because of the No Hugging, No Kissing policy the show has.

Weren't they already doing something differently by having them be more like mentor figures?

While there is no kissing there is plenty of hugging in this series.

Hi.

edited 12th Mar '13 1:36:56 PM by Mio

Hey Mio!

Its still a Princess... it just leaves an icky taste in my mouth.

You could stick a Tiara and jewelry on a PHD and call them a Princess... and it would somehow cheapen it for me. They'd still be a PHD but the requirement of the pretty factor bugs me.

I was more referencing the fact that they are talking about doing something really interesting and different with Princess Twilight. . .when they already are with the Princesses they have. It just seems unnecessary from that perspective.

I think this is awesome. There need to be more stories about princesses rescuing guys. (That said, it shouldn't go to the extreme of making guys useless either.)

While not exactly the same premise, I've always wanted to make a game about a guy saving a guy. Except you don't know you're saving a guy right until the very end. And all the way along everyone you meet tells you it's a terrible idea and you should just give up already, because you shouldn't have ever been together in the first place. So you go through all this bullshit and, ideally, it only hardens your resolve to save what you assume is a princess, and then it turns out, OH WAIT, SO THAT'S WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO HAVE PEOPLE SAY YOU SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO BE IN LOVE

Buuuuuut like I said, that's a whole other issue I have with the gaming fanbase in general... the trope of a princess saving a guy is actually entertaining enough on it's own, and I always love seeing more well-done female protagonists. I just finished playing Beyond Good & Evil recently, and Jade is probably one of my favourite video game protagonists ever.

Im interested to see where its going... I will continue to watch.

Just makes my inner Feminist all uppity

Kegisak, that is among the best ideas I've heard in a long time.

Yeah, that...actually sounds really cool.

It reminds me of Braid, except with the twist being a gay protagonist instead of an allegory for who knows what.

edited 12th Mar '13 1:56:36 PM by PerpetualLurker

Yeah, wasn't Braid supposed to be a metaphor for a bad breakup, or divorce, or something like that? I should play it sometime... there's a lot of games I need to play sometime.

Either that or the Atomic Bomb. No one's really sure.

That is kind of why I like to play some of the Sandbox games like Skyrim. They have made it so you can technically play a gay character if you want to. It doesn't really affect the storyline or anything but you can marry a guy or a girl and nobody really cares.

In one of the quests I did recently there was a dead male Nord in the basement of this house, and if you wander down along the shoreline you find another dead male Nord with a letter from the first.. and an amulet of Mara which is basically a wedding ring in that world. It was nice to see something like that for a change.

He should get her to play Spelunky.

Males are awesome; and people who seek to degrade males should be whacked. Females are awesome; and people who seek to degrade females should be whacked. Humanity in general is awesome, and people who seek to degrade it should be whacked.

Individuals can be terrible; but, on the whole; humanity's pretty grea-

Wait, Humans?

Screw them, I hate humans. They sell the heads of Alligator hatchlings at market. How'd you like it if someone sold your baby's head at market?

Has anyone played interactive fiction? Regardless, there's a game called Jigsaw that's interesting when it comes to gender. As part of the plot, you chase a look-alike rival through various time periods to prevent a Time Crash. This rival is given just an ambigious enough description that you never learn his or her gender, so it can be whatever you like. The game has many hints that he or she is infatuated the protagonist, but none of this becomes obvious until you've finished the game.

I've always wanted to make a game about someone who's traveling through the underworld to bring someone back to life ala Orpheus which you think is due to love, but it turns out to be a drug lord who is trying to ressurect a traitor so he can torture him for information.

That's... Not what I was expecting in the slightest.

@Kegisak: It's certainly an interesting idea, although I can't help but think that doing it that way would result in enormous amounts "YOU TRICKED ME INTO PLAYING AS A FAGGOTOFOSIDFJPOBNBND:!!!i!!"-style rage from a lot of people. I'd be cool with a game having the premise of a dude saving a dude, but I'd much rather the game be upfront about it rather than springing it on me at the end. Honestly, I think it would make all of the other responses more interesting because throughout the game the double-standard would be repeatedly discussed. Like if you wanted to be meta about it, there could be like a "princess-rescuing" guild or something, and the protagonist is trying to get into it even though he's saving a guy.

@Ms CC: Welcome to the insanity thread. I hope you enjoy your stay.

Anyway, I really don't see how you can interpret FIM as sexist against females unless you really reach. The great majority of authority figures are females, and for the most part they're all portrayed as high competent in their given disciplines. Sure they're girly and flawed sometimes but on the whole they're realistic and strong characters.

See, the reaction is the key, though. The game would never 'trick' you into believing you were saving a woman, it would simply be playing off of people's assumptions. The idea is that you'd get attached to this guy's journey, assuming it was normal, and then it would be sprung on you that he's gay, and ideally that would make someone confront the question: Where is the difference? The hero still went to every single length for his love that the 'straight' hero went to. He still overcame every single obstacle. With all that, what makes his love any less genuine or legitimate?

Perhaps it's a bit naive to assume that would make anyone change their mind, and perhaps being upfront and talking about the double standard openly would be a easier route, but at the same time I think it would narrow the audience significantly, especially in that it would cut off exactly the kind of people I want to see the game. The core of the idea is the experience of feeling true, genuine love, and then being told for an ultimately arbitrary reason that it wasn't 'good enough'. The game would be peppered with a lot of subtle problems homosexuals go through - for example, one of the final bosses would be a character who starts off as a friend.