Okay, you guys have a point, and you guys are also right.

Still, AJ couldn't even win a single gold medal the one time it really mattered.

It seems that, in the context of the show, she tends to fail quite a lot.

Wait, you thought that it implied that her sleep deprivation was a good thing? It was thanks to that that she messed up helping everyone else.

Again, so what? Being second to fourth best at everything is still great and in no way a failure. I seriously doubt that anyone in the cast is literally the best at anything.

edited 25th Aug '12 1:37:53 PM by PerpetualLurker

The pony who gets second or third in every event is still a better athlete than the one who gets first in one event and doesn't place in any of the others. Unless there was someone with a rodeo-related cutie mark who came first in everything, AJ still did pretty damn well.

I didn't mean in the show, I meant in ATC's argument.

She didn't win, but she still did well. Nopony can win all the time.

If AJ succeeded at absolutely everything, it would make her a rather dull character.

AJ didn't even have to learn anything to write a letter to Celestia. That was pretty bold.

My argument is illogical, poorly thought-out, and wrong. You guys are right.

I'd like her to succeed (as defined by her perfectionist goals) at something. So far, she's failed to beat RD at athletics, failed to harvest a sufficient number of apples, and failed to win a Gold Medal at the rodeo.

edited 25th Aug '12 1:44:21 PM by ATC

Plus, the others tend to fail a fair bit as well. Twilight's produced some interesting disasters by casting spells without thinking, every effort Fluttershy's made to get assertive has ended in either complete hopeless failure or technical success, Rarity utterly failed to catch Photo Feeneesh's eye, Rainbow Dash still isn't wearing that Wonderbolts outfit...

You mean someone has actually changed their mind as a result of an Internet argument?

MY WORLD HAS COME UNSTUCK AT THE SEAMS

edited 25th Aug '12 1:43:32 PM by CountDorku

Yeah, they all fail most of the time.

Dang, someone needs to give the Mane Six a break.

Come on, writers, throw them a bone!

I didn't change my mind. I knew I was wrong before I even presented my opinion. I knew I was wrong before I even had an opinion. All my opinions are always wrong.

edited 25th Aug '12 1:44:56 PM by ATC

@ATC: As noted, unless she lost first place to the same pony in every event, placing in every event is really impressive. If she had actually focused on one or two events she would have basically been guaranteed to get first. The first place ponies were likely specializing in their events, whereas AJ was practicing everything and still managing to be entirely competitive. It's like the difference between getting the gold in just one event, and getting silver in like a dozen others.

Sooo...saving the world from the forces of evil twice doesn't count?

edited 25th Aug '12 1:45:23 PM by JapaneseTeeth

They've saved the world, like, three or four times by now.

@ATC: Can't tell if sarcasm or sincerity

I'm sincerely stupid, not sarcastic and cynical.

Considering Aquaman, SPY Fox, and Squirrel Girl have saved the world, I'm not sure if that's a success or standard for protagonists.

edited 25th Aug '12 1:47:17 PM by ATC

Ugh. Opinions, by definition, CANNOT BE WRONG. That's what an opinion is. It's something that differs solely on personal preference. If there's an objective element to it, it ceases to be an opinion and becomes a matter of fact. Arguing that AJ needs to succeed more is an opinion because it's based purely on personal preference. It can be disagreed with, but it cannot be wrong.

Also, the actions of protagonists in other stories are totally irrelevant. What matters is what occurs within the context of this show. You can't judge plot points in one show by comparing them to plot points in another.

edited 25th Aug '12 1:48:56 PM by JapaneseTeeth

Ave, true to Caesar.

The reign of Nightmare Moon.

Sonic Rainboom? Well that's okay for a little filly I guess. Let us show you a real trick.

You see, you're saying that, and I can't tell if you're being sarcastic about not being sarcastic, and I'm even more confused.

@JT: That's not true, actually. It's been empirically proved that blue is objectively the best colour.

My favorite color is green.

@JT: See? I don't even know how opinions work. That's how stupid I am.

@Condottiera: Being intelligent is not a prerequisite for being a troper.

Opinions can be unreasonable, foolish, and not-based-in-reality. They can be misleading and inaccurate.

edited 25th Aug '12 1:51:48 PM by ATC

Then you are objectively wrong!

This has been proven with a mix between SCIENCE and !!SCIENCE!!

edited 25th Aug '12 1:49:49 PM by CountDorku

@ATC: I've talked to you for a while, and I never thought you were stupid. You shouldn't think that about yourself.

Those results were never submitted for peer review!

edited 25th Aug '12 1:52:00 PM by condottiera

Everyone is wrong, I am right. Please listen to me from now on.

Well, yeah, because both the peers and the results are on fire. That's why it's called !!SCIENCE!!

edited 25th Aug '12 1:52:50 PM by CountDorku

@ATC: And now you know

Oh, Freeman, you're just like Deathpigeon, eh?

What are the odds of finding two people like that on the same forum?