@Sereg: More like speciesist, lol.

This reminds me of a joke from the Discworld, where Black and White get along so they can gang up on Green.

Well... I don't know. It may sound a bit silly, but the sentiment sort of makes me uncomfortable. Because yeah, it smacks vaguely racist to me, even if it is in a cartoon context.

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Are we comparing S1 to S2, and disscussing Laren's full departure?

Moe: And what about the donkey baker? That bother you too?

I don't see how the dragons are just like you, but with scales. In the very least they feel alien compared to Spike, as the entire episode they acted like a giant bunch of mean spirited douche bags, which clearly made Spike feel alienated. Yes, ponies can be jerks too, but for them it's more out of the ordinary, whereas with dragons it seems to be the general attitude.

Actually, I'm fairly sure we've actually had this discussion with Moe in the past, so we're probably going to be retreading a lot of ground here. He can have his preferences.

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@ Moe: Because we view the land of Equestria, the country that is mostly populated by ponies. Should every other species that enters be deported? The mining Diamond Dogs, the herbalist Zebra, the milk producing Cows? All of them?

Why shouldn't dragons have a recognisable culture? Why should every culture be arbitrarily completely different just for the sake of it?

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edited 19th Jun '12 10:38:46 AM by DhanaRagnarok

Well, I myself take a bit of issue with the thought of dragons being Always Chaotic Evil, especially considering we've seen at least one who seemed on the whole pretty nice.

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edited 19th Jun '12 10:39:22 AM by ApplelightLimited

@ Kegi: I don't think they are Always Chaotic Evil. It's just that when Spike happened to pick a random group of teenagers they were jerks. Many random teenagers are jerks.

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edited 19th Jun '12 10:40:19 AM by Badwolfwho

Last time a Doberman was working at Burger King, this time a dog's working at McDonald's.

Did the Doberman go to work for the rival restaurant, or did McDonald's hire their own dog to compete?

edited 19th Jun '12 10:40:29 AM by Whatshisgame

There are so many overlooked PMVs :3

Nothing to do with ponies, but wow.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na8bJ10OWp0

Keg: I saw it more as chaotic neutral: being jerks on a whim and whatnot because it entertains them to screw around. Dangerous because they don't seem to see the consequences of their actions, but I'd be hard pressed to actually peg them as evil.

I imagine a mature Dragon secure in the knowledge their stash is well-hidden would be pretty chill.

Set phasers to D'aaaaaaaw.

Curse you Ace, inundating us with PMV's! The cute is too much!

they're not Always Chaotic Evil, we just got hit with a dose of Teens Are Monsters is all. You could tell some of the other adult dragons were thinking "Goddam kids..." at some points in that episode.

and all the other dragons we've seen, I wouldn't call them evil so much as not giving a shit about things that aren't dragons. and a hoarding instinct.

Ok, I guess that could be called evil, for some definitions of evil...

edited 19th Jun '12 10:48:20 AM by Blissey1

Yeah, I hate it when a race is Always Chaotic Evil for purely arbitrary reasons.

And yeah, that attitude smacks of racsim to me as well. And I'm kind of desensitised to that as I live in a country where racsim is common, so the fact that it bothers me means that thre's probably something there (I mean, I don't like racism in general, but I'm fairly used to the minor stuff).

EDIT: It's been my headcanon for far longer than this show that dragons hoard as display behaviour. It's their way of showing off to other dragons to prove that they shouldn't be messed with and are a worthy mate.

edited 19th Jun '12 10:50:54 AM by Sereg

Nah, that's just generic jerkishness. I'm wondering if there's a dragon being raised by Gryphons (Fanfic fuel goooooo!)

I shalt scour this thread of disharmony with weapons-grade ad'awwwwwwwable more refined and richer than the flat moe employed in Japan.

Or a Griffon raised by Dragons.

We already have a pony raised by a Timberwolf.

I have just learned a valuable lesson: never spray pepperspray into a small closet. Not unless you really, really don't want anyone to go in there.

Anyway...

Yup.

Rather, I think Griffons—being a different SPECIES—should act in ways completely different, perhaps alien, to ponies. Sort of like how humans and cats can get along but cats still do things humans will never understand, and vice versa.

Ponies are already the human-analogue. You can't have two different SPECIES be analogues to the same thing.

My stock fantasy setting? Have I written anything that had such a one?

Okay, first of all... have I ever implied that I'm a fan of such settings?

Secondly, in most of the better fantasy I've been exposed to, humans, elves dwarves etc. DO NOT act like they're the same species, there's notable differences in their societies, cultural beliefs, behavioral norms etc. And in fact, one of those groups (usually the humans) tends to be dominant while the others are fringes.

I actually don't mind the Buffalo or the Diamond Dogs for this very reason—they're clearly nothing like the ponies.

Man, "Pony raised by X" really is a cool concept, as is the reverse situation. I may or may not already be exploring that kind of concept in a fic.

@Moe "Your" didn't mean you specifically. It's like Yogi Bear saying he's "smarter than your average bear". Please don't try and look for insinuations or insults where there are none.

edited 19th Jun '12 10:55:26 AM by PerpetualLurker

@Moe: Ankh-Morpork called, a multispecieal city is clearly possible with some hiccups and lumps in the pot.

@ Moe: Why can't you have two races analogue to the same species?

Buffalo and Diamond Dogs are just as pony like as Zebra, Dragons or Griffons.

edited 19th Jun '12 10:57:16 AM by Badwolfwho