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#186801 storyyeller Sun, 6th May '12 7:08:35 PM from Appleloosa

It's not like what she did actually hurt them, apart from possible pyschological harm, and that's like urinating in the ocean.

If there is anything that you are alone in thinking, it's "thinking that you're alone in thinking of your theories".

#186802 gingerninja 666 Sun, 6th May '12 7:09:03 PM from Aboard The Damocles

@Mio Yes. I enjoy villains because they're entertaining, not because they're evil. I find their evil entertaining but the physical ACT of being evil isn't what I like.

"Contests fought between two masters are decided instantly. An invisible battle is now raging between the two of them." Lulu vs Schneizel

#186803 Applelight Limited Sun, 6th May '12 7:09:56 PM from Manehattan to Canterlot

@ Kyler

Overtime? I barely get toilet breaks.

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#186804 Kyler Thatch Sun, 6th May '12 7:10:10 PM from the bottom of my heart

@Ginger: How does that work, exactly?

edited 6th May '12 7:10:21 PM by KylerThatch

Am I hurting? Am I sad? Should I stay or should I go?

I've forgotten how to tell. Did I ever even know?

#186805 gingerninja 666 Sun, 6th May '12 7:11:08 PM from Aboard The Damocles

@story NEVER. FUCKING. FORGIVING HER

She would have condemned a potentially ENDLESS number of ponies to a punishment that she inflicted only on those she THOUGHT were to blame for everything. How petty and spiteful is that?

"Contests fought between two masters are decided instantly. An invisible battle is now raging between the two of them." Lulu vs Schneizel

#186806 Applelight Limited Sun, 6th May '12 7:12:02 PM from Manehattan to Canterlot

@ Kyler

My employer is a crafty person.

We get 'paid' breaks...meaning those little fifteen minutes are not deducted from our wages. However, that means we're still on company time...so breaks are given at his discretion.

It's an abuse of a loophole.

EDIT: And now I see you were talking to ginger. My bad.

edited 6th May '12 7:12:46 PM by ApplelightLimited

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#186807 crowlover Sun, 6th May '12 7:12:05 PM from Name & Address Withheld

I assume you mean just that continuity's Scootaloo.

edited 6th May '12 7:13:02 PM by crowlover

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#186808 Mio Sun, 6th May '12 7:12:47 PM

@Kyler: Very simple actually. When villains are being evil it is simply a function of their role in the story. Thus when the heroes act evil it is a much bigger turn off.

That is interesting to know. I was wondering why you got no overtime, but that does explain it.

edited 6th May '12 7:14:11 PM by Mio

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#186809 storyyeller Sun, 6th May '12 7:13:34 PM from Appleloosa

So where's my cookie? I'm actually surprised that noone else answered before me.

If there is anything that you are alone in thinking, it's "thinking that you're alone in thinking of your theories".

#186810 Miss Cheerilee Sun, 6th May '12 7:14:22 PM from Ponyville

You can have this cookie.

#186811 gingerninja 666 Sun, 6th May '12 7:14:31 PM from Aboard The Damocles

@Kyler I laughed at ASOIAF when a 5 year old got his head smashed in with a mace.

I laughed, not because I thought the death of that child was funny, but because it was abrupt, and the people commiting it were SUPPOSED to Complete Monsters and unrepentent assholes. It didn't EXPECT me to sympathize with them.

God, it's hard to explain. I know what it is, I just can't articulate it properly

kinda what Mio said

edited 6th May '12 7:15:34 PM by gingerninja666

"Contests fought between two masters are decided instantly. An invisible battle is now raging between the two of them." Lulu vs Schneizel

#186812 crowlover Sun, 6th May '12 7:18:43 PM from Name & Address Withheld

I understand loving gambits, but I didn't know you felt that way about random acts of villainy.

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#186813 kegisak Sun, 6th May '12 7:19:44 PM

Because when a villain does something wrong, you know it's wrong. It's when you don't know that it's wrong, when the story says that maybe this wrong thing is right, it's a bit of a trickier issue? I mean, it's just because you were supposed to agree with Scoots, right?(Bearing in mind I have no idea what's goingo n, I'm just making guesses based on what I know of Ginger)

#186814 Kyler Thatch Sun, 6th May '12 7:21:18 PM from the bottom of my heart

The undead warlock Richard from Looking for Group comes to mind. (Though I stopped following the comic at some point, I don't know if the author suddenly decided to make him sympathetic later rather than just being a comedic sociopath. But I doubt it.)

Am I hurting? Am I sad? Should I stay or should I go?

I've forgotten how to tell. Did I ever even know?

#186815 Seraphem Sun, 6th May '12 7:23:58 PM from Delamare

oh great Ginger raging about Stable 1 again....

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#186816 gingerninja 666 Sun, 6th May '12 7:24:09 PM from Aboard The Damocles

@Kegi because ultimately, Scootaloo was treated as a force for good. It expected us to like and to smpathize with her (she even becomes kind of a role model for Pip)

Evil doing Evil, I an comprehend and enjoy. Evil doing good, I can get behind too.

Good doing evil I just can't accept unless they're punished SEVERELY for it. Scoots died eventuall but she wasn't PUNISHED or called out on what she did. She didn't think she was wrong. Her death would've happened whether she'd done it or not.

"Contests fought between two masters are decided instantly. An invisible battle is now raging between the two of them." Lulu vs Schneizel

#186817 kegisak Sun, 6th May '12 7:24:09 PM

Mm... the rare times when he does get a moment of sympathy are when he's not actively murdering something horribly... although it's trying to give more depth to his murder, which is questionable.

The artists other comic, Least I Could Do is a bit of a better example. the protagonist is a selfish, assholish man child, and the comic seems to want to paint him as in the right. Whenever it does it becomes obnoxious and irritating, to say the least.

What did she do? All I've got is the assurance she did something wrong, but I've got no context here.

edited 6th May '12 7:24:55 PM by kegisak

#186818 stevebat Sun, 6th May '12 7:24:31 PM

@Kyler No he stays a comedic sociopath. Problem is partway through the plot clusterfucks and I have no clue what the hell is going on. Despite having read the entire thing through

She basically set a stable (The equivalent of a nuclear bunker) to be locked until everypony in the stable died (As opposed to waiting until the radiation cleared away). She was counting on Celestia residing in said stable.

edited 6th May '12 7:26:31 PM by stevebat

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#186819 Swasfews Sun, 6th May '12 7:26:02 PM from New York

So what does Scootaloo do in Stable 1 that's so evil? I have no idea what we're talking about here again.

And the reason behind locking it?

edited 6th May '12 7:27:10 PM by Swasfews

#186820 kegisak Sun, 6th May '12 7:26:57 PM

@Steve: Best I can figure is: The party has found their mythic city, managed to defend it from an invading army. Richard has to go on some quest through a contract of some sort. Meanwhile the orc(Who's name escapes me) is trying to find some hidden library, and the elf is off to try and rescue Richard.

It's not so bad if you don't try and hammer out all the nuances.

edited 6th May '12 7:27:42 PM by kegisak

#186821 The Freeman Sun, 6th May '12 7:26:58 PM from Hialeah,FL.

It be late. Goodnight.

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#186822 crowlover Sun, 6th May '12 7:27:07 PM from Name & Address Withheld

@kegi When the nobleponies were in Stable 1, she decided to lock them in permanently because she blamed them for the war.

That's my knowledge on it.

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#186823 gingerninja 666 Sun, 6th May '12 7:27:44 PM from Aboard The Damocles

@kegi She locked up all the ponies she PERSONALLY blamed for the war and said she'd keep them there and that none of them would be let out... ever. Even if the surface turned back to normal the stable would remain locked. The doors of that stable would never open until every soul there was dead (and bear in mind she was expecting the nigh-immortal goddesses to be in there too)

All as a petty, pointless act of revenge.

edited 6th May '12 7:29:30 PM by gingerninja666

"Contests fought between two masters are decided instantly. An invisible battle is now raging between the two of them." Lulu vs Schneizel

#186824 kegisak Sun, 6th May '12 7:28:39 PM

Okay... and we're expected to agree with her, then?

Well, that does seem a bit... pointless. I mean, what good is that going to do, the damage is already done. All she's basically doing is petulantly damning them. Not to mention punishing Celestia unduly, since she's the only one who would survive.

edited 6th May '12 7:29:29 PM by kegisak

#186825 Great God Pan Sun, 6th May '12 7:28:50 PM from The Woods. Where else?

I don't normally agree with Ginger when it comes to antagonistic characters, but even I thought what Scootaloo did was kind of a douchebag move.

Spooky.