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Ace Of Scarabs avatar
#308851 from Singapore
The book Twi reads in the very beginning looks like it's written in unicorn script, while the Welcome Princess Celestia sign in Swarm was written in what looks to be English but is most likely Earth Pony script, lol. The cutie mark crusaders had no trouble reading the Hearts and Hooves book, suggesting they either know unicorn script or the Earth Pony Script is also used for books meant for wider audiences.

Daring Do fiction is probably primarily written in Earth Pony script to make it more accessible as Dashie could read it.

Crystal Pony books were written in a language that at least Twi knew, so it probably was written either in an older variant of Earth Pony script or something that predates Modern Equestrian but is still familiar to her.

In fact I would be amused if Earth Pony script resembles Latin/English characters.

@Kyler: point, but I wouldn't be surprised if Modern Equestrian writing was like that. Dual-script writing makes sense if both writing systems were retained after the Three Tribes united. Pegasi signals would not become part of everyday writing, but would become a common Signal Language used in clear communication.

edited 27th Nov '12 1:02:07 PM by AceOfScarabs

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#308852 from Meinong's jungle
@Kegisak: You can care a lot and still be oblivious. Being empathic and being observant aren't really related. That and it's entirely possible that Babs was actively hiding the fact that she was being bullied, given that the episode ends with her deciding to inform someone.

edited 27th Nov '12 12:55:37 PM by JapaneseTeeth

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#308853
Mmm... I suppose. Just seems like the comic was trying to posit her parents as being wholly uncaring.

I mean, I enjoy a little bit of black comedy as mch as the next guy, but being depressing for the sake of being depressing is sort of the line for me.
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#308854 from the event horizon
[up][up] Also, she said she would talk to her sister about it. Not to imply too much, but that would suggest she might be less open to her parents, for whatever reason.
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#308855 from Meinong's jungle
Either that or due to the whole "Upper crust" bit they just aren't available a lot of the time.
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#308856 from the event horizon
That is covered under "whatever reason". tongue
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#308857 from Meinong's jungle
Not necessarily; she might be relatively open to her parents...when they're actually around, which might not be much. Still, it's all conjecture in any case.
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#308858 from South Africa
@Ace: Newspapers, flyers and cakes are writen in the third script.

And yes, one of the scripts looks identical to English and the second looks rathe similar.

My hypothesis is that all three scripts are taught as basic education.

Also, I think that the reason that everypony was able to communicate in the Crystal Empire was because of Cadance. She used a spell to make the entire city mutually intelligible to one another.

It's something I'm sure she can do.
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#308859
Oh, that one has an easier explanation: Kids tend to be more willing to talk to their siblings about an issue like this, because a sibling tends to be closer to their level and therefore more able to help in a way the kids feels is real. I mean, the standard adult line is something aking to 'ignore it', right? Failing that the adult is going to go through acceptable channels, which the kid doesn't recognize yet. An older sibling, however, is more likely to be directly protective in a channel the child recognizes - usually physical violencei n the case of boy, but I can't speak for girls on that note. The adult's methods can also seem uncaring, so the child is probably intimidated of talking to them - or if it's a parent, they may believe that they SHOULD be able to ignore it, and are thus ashamed.

Um... so to put it as simply as I'd originally intended, Babs's probably going to her sister because the sister is more helpful to her, or she's too embarassed to tell her parents.
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#308860 from Singapore
@Sereg: given that pony technology doesn't seem to advance quickly, it's entirely possible that the Modern language, or a closely-related form, was in use in the Crystal Empire.

As for one of the script forms being like English, yeah that gives me hope we can read it if we ever visit Equestria [lol]

I agree that they'd teach all three script forms in school, it's practical and ensures most ponies should be able to read most books. I reckon more emphasis is placed on Earth Pony scripts and Pegasus signals, since they're more commonly used.
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#308861 from somewhere
Hello again. Anything I missed, other than the written language(s) discussion?
Oh, the thread? Don't worry, it's just dead.
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#308862
Luna didn't have to relearn the language after she came back, she just had to learn to stop using antiquated forms of address. Being commoners, the Crystal Ponies probably have no such issues.

edited 27th Nov '12 1:22:34 PM by PerpetualLurker

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#308863 from Singapore
They're also discussing Babs's situation before she came to Sweet Apple Acres.

@Lurker: she went back to a comfortable formal language that came up post-Discord at the time, since she was still adjusting to the modern world.

edited 27th Nov '12 1:23:51 PM by AceOfScarabs

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#308864
Neat because heat powers are best powers.
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#308865 from the event horizon
usually physical violencei n the case of boy, but I can't speak for girls on that note
Advice-dispensing and encouragement, maybe?
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#308866
Since the comic thread doesn't get much love, I feel that this needs to be shared. Very Minor spoilers for the comic (just one panel), but it's one of the little things that's completely sold me on it.

Yes, that is an Invasion of the Body Snatchers reference.
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#308867 from Appleloosa
You disagreed with the moral?

What moral? I disagreed with some of the writing decisions.

I'd pay good money to get a box of Equestrian Alpha-bits

I was thinking Lucky Charms.
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#308868 from Meinong's jungle
Yeah, I'm really glad I decided to preorder it. It's going to be pretty awesome.
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#308869 from South Africa
My younger sister helped me when I was bullied. Helps that she has Super Strength.

Anyway, in Middle English, using "thou" is actually informal whereas "you" is more formal. Then again, maybe the Crytal ponies had such low self esteem that they were using uber-respectful language with everypony.

EDIT: @S Toryyeller: The moral from the letter. But okay. It]f you disagreed with some of the writing decisions, that's fine. Which ones specifically? I may help me improve.

edited 27th Nov '12 1:35:48 PM by Sereg

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#308870 from riding the wave
Luna didn't have to relearn the language after she came back, she just had to learn to stop using antiquated forms of address. Being commoners, the Crystal Ponies probably have no such issues.
Considering how the crystal ponies spoke modern Equestrian, I can't help but wonder if Luna's Antiquated Linguistics were considered old-fashioned a thousand years ago, too. Back then, that mode of speaking was just recent enough to be considered charmingly eccentric, but in the modern day it just comes across weird.

edited 27th Nov '12 1:34:13 PM by MetaFour

That would be running a punchline into the ground.
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#308871 from Hialeah,FL.
Donald Sutherland pony is best.
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#308872 from Singapore
Yeah, Luna was probably using language from around the Classical or Post-Discordian times.
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#308873 from Appleloosa
Luna didn't have to relearn the language after she came back, she just had to learn to stop using antiquated forms of address.

The point is that their language changed much more slowly than English did in the same time period.
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#308874 from Delamare
as to lack of lingual shift, not only the less rapid development overall, but It's sure to help having Celestia be around, being able to keep the language from shifting to much just by being there and not changing the way she uses language.
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Sereg avatar
#308875 from South Africa
Considering how the crystal ponies spoke modern Equestrian, I can't help but wonder if Luna's Antiquated Linguistics were considered old-fashioned a thousand years ago, too. Back then, that mode of speaking was just recent enough to be considered charmingly eccentric, but in the modern day it just comes across weird.

As I said, I think that Cadance gave them the ability to speak Modern Equestrian.

Of course, my interpretation of Cadance is more powerful than that of many others. Then again, there are many others who interpret her as even more powerful than I do.

EDIT:Well, we knew that language changes slower for them already. 1000 years ago, English didn't even exist. Whereas Luna speaks Early Modern.

edited 27th Nov '12 1:41:22 PM by Sereg

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